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seahonu 04-27-2007 09:08 PM

Success! CLS wheels on E320 CDI
 
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Just successfully mounted CLS wheels onto my E320 CDI;

18x8.5, ET28, 245/40/18
18x9.5, ET33, 275/40/18

Couldn't be more perfect for me. The sidewall is just beyond the fender but the tread is totally within the wheel well for both fronts and rears. And the ride is nearly no different than the original 16". Hooray!

Benz-O-Rama 04-27-2007 09:39 PM

Looks good. I think you're the 2nd person to have successfully done this. KosherBenz was the first, I think.

AsianML 04-27-2007 09:53 PM

Looks good! Let us know how much gas mileage decreases as a result though. :D

seahonu 04-28-2007 01:50 AM

As for recording before & after mileage, I won't have any prior data. I've only had the car for one week!

jmorgis 04-28-2007 08:42 AM

Why would there be a gas millage decrease? The overall diameter of the wheel is about the same from the old 16? Right, the rims are larger but smaller tire. Compared to smaller rim, larger side wall?

seahonu 04-28-2007 09:47 AM

The theory would be that there's a loss of mpg, due to the wheel/tire weight, ie. greater mass requiring greater energy to initiate rolling. Also inefficiency due to greater contact patch from the wider tires than the original.

FYI, wheel/tire weights;

16" OEM = 48 lbs
18" front = 52.5 lbs
18" rears = 56.5 lbs

raymond g- 04-28-2007 11:18 AM

concur.... i went from OEM 16" to OEM 18" from E55 (near identical specs as
above) and there was mileage drop.

on separate note...the 245 front would scrape the wheel arch under hard front
compression with original shocks. i've since swapped to Bilstein HDs and the
scraping is less (and I drive more sedately). other options would be to change
from 245 to 235, or roll fender.

oh...the above was for 99 E320

CE750 04-28-2007 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by seahonu (Post 2168903)
Just successfully mounted CLS wheels onto my E320 CDI;

18x8.5, ET28, 245/40/18
18x9.5, ET33, 275/40/18

Couldn't be more perfect for me. The sidewall is just beyond the fender but the tread is totally within the wheel well for both fronts and rears. And the ride is nearly no different than the original 16". Hooray!

looks good! I did the same with E500 wheels here: http://homepage.mac.com/sjsamaha/PhotoAlbum33.html

no milage decrease at all, even with Renntech... as a matter of fact I got 40mpg on the freeway at 66mph last year during summer.

locomercedes 04-28-2007 01:29 PM

Looking good. A 1" drop and it will be perfect.

KosherBenz 04-28-2007 04:03 PM

- I have stock 245's on the CLS rims up front and I have not scraped nor bumped anything in the fenderwell.

- I did notice 1-2 mpg loss after the CLS rims, but the improvement from the Kleemann module made up for it.

- Congrats on ur wheels Choice, I love how they look on my MB

- Here is a few pics of them on my car in case you missed them the first time I posted them up...

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/277/723/88608.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/277/723/88607.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/277/723/88606.jpg


And here is what my old rims looked like during install..

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/277/723/88600.jpg

HLG600 04-28-2007 04:06 PM

:y

J. Alan 04-29-2007 03:01 AM

Diitto concerning KosherBenz post. After installing CLS500 wheels with Michelin Pilot Sports on my E320 CDI the car is more planted to the road and corners like a go-cart. No problems with suspension or brake interference. The OEM 16" wheels are wimpy - throw some good snows on them and use them in the winter. Never kept track of mileage, so no advice here.
Still waiting to chip - interested in Kleeman, but I would like to gather more information about the new Carlsson chip (to be apparently released in May) that is supposed to be more sophisticated, although much more expensive.

J. Alan

no_clue 04-29-2007 03:37 AM

Since bigger wheels doesn't really have any significant advantage, (according to you guys) but visual satisfaction. I was wondering how about bigger rim and same width tires?

Instead of 245/40/18 ......stay at 225/45/18????
Would that have better acceleration?

Jakarta Expat 04-29-2007 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama (Post 2168942)
Looks good. I think you're the 2nd person to have successfully done this. KosherBenz was the first, I think.

Actually I think he is the 3rd, I did it last year.....

https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w211/166787-technical-personal-concerns-needed-regarding-trade.html


The wheel in question
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2...230ci3lba7.jpg

Front side view
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8...sdeviewud4.jpg

Rear Side view
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/5...ideviewfp0.jpg

Full side view
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ideviewai7.jpg

KosherBenz 04-29-2007 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by no_clue (Post 2171266)
Since bigger wheels doesn't really have any significant advantage, (according to you guys) but visual satisfaction. I was wondering how about bigger rim and same width tires?

Instead of 245/40/18 ......stay at 225/45/18????
Would that have better acceleration?



Who said there was no advantage? The car handles 10x better than it did before. I dont know about you, but although I like to cruise in my car, I do like to have the ability to hug the corners if i want to (like on back roads or on/off ramps) Less sidewall means less roll on the corners.

Also, why would you want to put a 225 on a 18inch rim? We dont drive Hondas! :y (More rubber on the ground = a car that handles better)

no_clue 04-29-2007 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by KosherBenz (Post 2171430)
Who said there was no advantage? The car handles 10x better than it did before. I dont know about you, but although I like to cruise in my car, I do like to have the ability to hug the corners if i want to (like on back roads or on/off ramps) Less sidewall means less roll on the corners.

Also, why would you want to put a 225 on a 18inch rim? We dont drive Hondas! :y (More rubber on the ground = a car that handles better)

easy~~~~~ Just questions. :)
And I don't see why one can't put 225 on 18?
If 245 will slow you down, why can't one stay w/ the OEM with for their non-sport Pre-07?

How much significat performance can it get from 12.3 cm to 11 cm of side wall??????

I kind of need more exlaination on why, please..
Dont' just throw me w/ "we don't drive honda, or so ricy"

harkgar 04-29-2007 05:35 PM

I drive a rice too
 

Originally Posted by KosherBenz (Post 2171430)
Who said there was no advantage? The car handles 10x better than it did before. I dont know about you, but although I like to cruise in my car, I do like to have the ability to hug the corners if i want to (like on back roads or on/off ramps) Less sidewall means less roll on the corners.

Also, why would you want to put a 225 on a 18inch rim? We dont drive Hondas! :y (More rubber on the ground = a car that handles better)

There is a big difference in roadholding with the CLS package for sure. The funny thing was the dealer on E-Bay made a mistake and sent me a combination of 2 sets of take-offs, both 275s! I did not realize that until April (the tires arrived in winter and I opened only one). Only when I was reading your posting today I know the front tires should have been 245s. Anyway, they do not rub and handling is good.

I like your Vette but I am too old to drive one. Waiting for the Dodge Challenger next year.

KosherBenz 04-30-2007 12:54 AM

Do what you want brother, if you want 225's go for it!

Id prefer not to squeel when i take a corner hard, and there is also less chance for my tires to break loose when I accelerate hard. And dont forget, the beefier tires look better.

Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks, Ill stick with my 245/275's!


edit: forgot another one, Rim protection... If you put a 225 on a 8in rim, they will get curbed really bad and I dont think 225's are made for a 8 inch rim(as in the front CLS rims)

J. Alan 04-30-2007 01:30 AM

Remembered another great thing about the CLS500 wheels at the car wash - damn they are easy to wash and keep clean!

J. Alan

no_clue 04-30-2007 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by KosherBenz (Post 2172787)
edit: forgot another one, Rim protection... If you put a 225 on a 8in rim, they will get curbed really bad and I dont think 225's are made for a 8 inch rim(as in the front CLS rims)

Argh!!!!!! I see..this is great info!!!!! tks!!!!!!!!!

raymond g- 04-30-2007 02:52 AM

here are some nice links to save....

http://www.alloywheelsdirect.net/mer...l_fitments.pdf

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

....if you're contemplating fitment of rims

no_clue 04-30-2007 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by raymond g- (Post 2173037)
here are some nice links to save....

http://www.alloywheelsdirect.net/mer...l_fitments.pdf

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

....if you're contemplating fitment of rims

Thanks ray~~~~
You know me, I just like to know about things, but no intention to put more money into my car. :p:

cyclrder 04-30-2007 11:55 AM

:y

join the club!

245/40/18
275/35/18

ODIE_181 04-30-2007 03:09 PM

Nice wheels. They look good on your E class

danKx710 05-18-2007 03:20 AM

easy switch?
 

Originally Posted by seahonu (Post 2168903)
Just successfully mounted CLS wheels onto my E320 CDI;

18x8.5, ET28, 245/40/18
18x9.5, ET33, 275/40/18

Couldn't be more perfect for me. The sidewall is just beyond the fender but the tread is totally within the wheel well for both fronts and rears. And the ride is nearly no different than the original 16". Hooray!


so there was no issue installing the cls rims on your E? it was just "plug and play?"

pinebaron 06-03-2007 06:56 PM

Tork Revo Wheels
 
I am considering these for my E320 Bluetec I am expecting in about ten days. Please tell me if these are a good selection.

Tork Revo HYPERBLACK 20 x 8.5(Front) + 20x9.5(Rear) with Nitto Neogen 245/30/20(Front) + 275/30/20(Rear).

In hindsight, following a discussion with my son I think I should be thinking 19" instead of 20" ; 20" may be an overkill.

Additionally, just to make it clear, I am a novice with these type of wheels and I will be driving this to the office and back; daily 153 miles round trip.

Let me know what you think.

PineBaron

Alan Smithee 06-05-2007 01:42 AM

If you don't know what you're in for, I would definitely not go above 18" on a stock CDI/Bluetec suspension; it is designed for 16" wheels. I have 18" sport package wheels/tires on my CDI, and while it firms up the ride nicely without being harsh, at times it is obvious the suspension is too soft for the heavier wheels and stickier tires. I can't imagine how poorly a 20" set-up would ride/drive.

kaze81 06-05-2007 02:12 AM

those CLS wheels look really classsy on an E-class. Like it :y

pinebaron 06-05-2007 05:25 AM

20" wheels on a CDI
 

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee (Post 2251118)
If you don't know what you're in for, I would definitely not go above 18" on a stock CDI/Bluetec suspension; it is designed for 16" wheels. I have 18" sport package wheels/tires on my CDI, and while it firms up the ride nicely without being harsh, at times it is obvious the suspension is too soft for the heavier wheels and stickier tires. I can't imagine how poorly a 20" set-up would ride/drive.

This will give me something to think about. I obviously need to investigate further and decide only after I get the vehicle. A few things I will need to consider are:
Wheel Dia. and weight when compared to OEM
Tire Dia./Sidewall height and weight when compared to OEM
Find the right balance between great looking wheels, comfort and practicality; the last one is so difficult to get right;:) .

cyclrder 06-05-2007 08:50 AM

I agree about not going overboard with a car that isn't equipped with full airmatic (with 3 selectors... comfort, sport I & II).

if I have my car set on comfort (which most likely is similar to the standard setup that a non airmatic or 16" wheel equipped car is)... the wheels are floppy feeling... you need the dampening that the air system gives.

I would certainly not go any bigger than 18s and I wouldn't use sizes bigger than 245/40/18 F + 275/35/18 R. (or 245/40/18 on non staggered).

I wish that I had the setup from a true AMG ...that would truly allow for full usage of the extra rubber on the ground.

note: actual tire sizes off of a CLS 18" wheel are larger than an 18" off of an E or AMG E (offset is 5mm diff.. but looks good on the car)... if you used CLS dimensions for tires... it would look like donuts on the car!


thanks for the compliments on my wagon. :bow:

pkancel 06-07-2007 04:18 AM

I had those same wheels for two years now and then had them chromed last year because the chrome hides the brake dust better so it buys me a few more days of driving before I get crazy over the wheels not shining like they should:)

I have had 245-F and 275-R the entire time. I wouldnt change just to change and to be honest,the change to a 225 isnt going to make much difference in acceleration, but I would bet you'll miss the more stable wider tire up front. That combo of tire size I feel is a good ratio of front/rear with the wheel width they have. If you put too skinny of a tire in front, the car will feel like it is pushing the fronts through turns. I made that mistake on the first set of 19s and hated driving it and I hated the way it looked.

Your 320 is the same color as my E500 and whether the wheels are chrome or satin silver, they look great.

Kosherbenz, that burgandy color, sorry I forgot the real MB name of it, looks amazing and those wheels look even better on your car than mine. I love that color and thats a first I have seen on the E-class, but it looks terrific.

SushDawg 07-08-2007 08:39 PM

Would the following work?

FRONT - 245/40/18
REAR - 275/35/18


Only thins I see mentioned here in the thread is 40's.

Thanks

NittanyLion 07-09-2007 05:39 PM

I was never a fan of the wheels on the 07 sport package in the first place. When i saw these pictures I knew what I wanted. Owned the car for 4 days before putting on the CLS wheels. Traded my wheels and tires plus $300 for the set of CLS take offs. Then I saw that the guy I traded sold my wheels on e-bay for $1400! I love the look though,d would do it again in a minute!

KosherBenz 07-09-2007 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by NittanyLion (Post 2311816)
I was never a fan of the wheels on the 07 sport package in the first place. When i saw these pictures I knew what I wanted. Owned the car for 4 days before putting on the CLS wheels. Traded my wheels and tires plus $300 for the set of CLS take offs. Then I saw that the guy I traded sold my wheels on e-bay for $1400! I love the look though,d would do it again in a minute!

pics! :nix:

NittanyLion 07-11-2007 12:28 AM

Sorry...will post in the morning. Still haven't taken any....shame on me!

NittanyLion 07-13-2007 06:41 PM

OK pictures finally up in the tread titled "My 1st MB"

Thanks,
Matt

mkaresh 07-18-2007 11:12 AM

The CDI screams for this treatment because MB only offers 16s on the car. The CLS wheels look great, though a slightly skinnier tire to keep the sidewalls within the wheelwells wouldn't hurt. Good to hear that the handling improves considerably.

Mnymaker 08-01-2007 02:27 PM

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Kosher,

Where'd you get that tint job on your CDI. Thats sweet. I got a 2005 Silver one and I need to tint the windows to complete the package. What kind of mileage you get with those wheels? I got 19" Mono blocks and I get about 31 on average 32 if I'm lucky and 33 with the wind at my back. :zoom:

Thanks

KosherBenz 08-02-2007 08:05 AM

I still get 38 or so, but I havent taken any long trips really. I got it tinted in Catonsville and some small shop. Cant remember the name...

Check out www.racersden.net Its a local MD/DC/VA site

Mnymaker 08-02-2007 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by KosherBenz (Post 2350464)
I still get 38 or so, but I havent taken any long trips really. I got it tinted in Catonsville and some small shop. Cant remember the name...

Check out www.racersden.net Its a local MD/DC/VA site

Wow,

What the *$&$# am I doing wrong other than flooring it every now and then (ok every now less then) but even when I try to slow poke it and see what kind of mileage I can get I will only get 31.5 or 32 :nix: like I did this morning. And that was a 75 mile drive with at least 75 to 80% of it highway. Where do you drive your car?

KosherBenz 08-02-2007 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Mnymaker (Post 2350561)
Wow,

What the *$&$# am I doing wrong other than flooring it every now and then (ok every now less then) but even when I try to slow poke it and see what kind of mileage I can get I will only get 31.5 or 32 :nix: like I did this morning. And that was a 75 mile drive with at least 75 to 80% of it highway. Where do you drive your car?

m daily commute I get abot 33 w/DC traffic. the Kleemann KD-box did help improve 1-3 mpg.

my afternoon route is exit 40 on the DC beltway to 270 north, exit 16 (27 north) for 23 more miles. morning commute is just the opposite.

cyclrder 08-02-2007 10:15 AM

geez.. I have never gotten more than 23mpg ... nor has my father with is 500E ... you guys are lucky!

I mostly see about 11mpg in the city ... ughh

KosherBenz 08-02-2007 10:22 AM

pictures are worth a thousand words...

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/277/723/76798.jpg

cyclrder 08-02-2007 10:26 AM

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

KosherBenz 08-02-2007 10:34 AM

someone posted on here not to long ago they got 41+ mpg on a road trip in a CDI. thats over 850 on a tank of gas..

CE750 08-03-2007 01:44 AM

here's mine...

Picture is indeed worth 1000 words..

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL146.../165396564.jpg

mike10980 08-03-2007 02:24 AM

Beautiful color on the E class Kosherbenz! I am *red* with envy. :)


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