E550 vs. BMW 335
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E550 vs. BMW 335
Ok, just a fun observation.
My fiance had her 335 for a couple of month now, fun car. I love to take it once in a while and just have fun, although i cant stand driving it for more than a couple of hours. I have traded my 03 E320 for an 08 E550, (i have to say it might look like the same car, but it drives totally different. well it was expected). I only have about 1500 miles on the car and I only had KN filters swaped on the car so far. The 335 is fully stock as well (only 19" wheels).
So my buddy stoped over today to show off his 645 (just finished his M6 conversion including the M6 exhaus, i must say it looks and sounds good, i envy him a little bit). well, i asked him if he thinks 335 would be faster than e550 of the line. He is like of course, its a bimmer! Next thing we are on the street (where i live there are a lot of wide open streets with no cars on it, therefore it is somewhat safe), with the ESP off Merc's tires slip pretty bad and the car fishtails. Bimmer on the other hand sticks on the road well, thanks for the 19's. We went up to about 85 mph, and both cars ended up identical, it felt like we werent moving at all, just standing side by side. We did 3 runs, result was the same. For some reason i though the merc would pull away at leats a car's length, but i was wrong.
Any comments are welcome!
I am gonna wait till i get to about 10,000 miles and see if the engine is gonna be a little bit pullier on the 550(its still to early for the ingine to show the full potential) although i am sure the 335's 19' inch wheels slowed it by a bit as well and KN filters will add more juice to the bimmer too.
well thats all the fun i had tonite.
My fiance had her 335 for a couple of month now, fun car. I love to take it once in a while and just have fun, although i cant stand driving it for more than a couple of hours. I have traded my 03 E320 for an 08 E550, (i have to say it might look like the same car, but it drives totally different. well it was expected). I only have about 1500 miles on the car and I only had KN filters swaped on the car so far. The 335 is fully stock as well (only 19" wheels).
So my buddy stoped over today to show off his 645 (just finished his M6 conversion including the M6 exhaus, i must say it looks and sounds good, i envy him a little bit). well, i asked him if he thinks 335 would be faster than e550 of the line. He is like of course, its a bimmer! Next thing we are on the street (where i live there are a lot of wide open streets with no cars on it, therefore it is somewhat safe), with the ESP off Merc's tires slip pretty bad and the car fishtails. Bimmer on the other hand sticks on the road well, thanks for the 19's. We went up to about 85 mph, and both cars ended up identical, it felt like we werent moving at all, just standing side by side. We did 3 runs, result was the same. For some reason i though the merc would pull away at leats a car's length, but i was wrong.
Any comments are welcome!
I am gonna wait till i get to about 10,000 miles and see if the engine is gonna be a little bit pullier on the 550(its still to early for the ingine to show the full potential) although i am sure the 335's 19' inch wheels slowed it by a bit as well and KN filters will add more juice to the bimmer too.
well thats all the fun i had tonite.
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You really shouldn't be beating up on your new car that hard yet at "Stop Light Drag Racing". Is it Owned or Leased?
...and you're right. There's a world of driving difference between the E500 and the E 550 in so many ways!
...and you're right. There's a world of driving difference between the E500 and the E 550 in so many ways!
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I agree with Barry Let it break in, I know it must be tempting though that e550 is a BEAST!....as far as the 335i, i'm gonna admit its a very finely tuned machine, and of course its got a lot more potential as far as modifications go. Also Stock to Stock you should be right about the same give or take.
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Let me understand this....
You feel a 335i should be even in a run with an E550? How can this be?
335i stock has 300hp and about 300 lbs ft torque and weighs 3605 lbs per bmw website. E550 has 382hp & 391 lbs ft torque, weighs 3885 lbs per mbusa. Now I realize we're talking about 280 lb difference but I have to believe with the additional hp and torque the E550 would easily take the 335.
In my view the only thing that would have these cars run even is driver experience or lack of.
Can you please explain how you feel these cars could be even in a race.
Thanks,
You feel a 335i should be even in a run with an E550? How can this be?
335i stock has 300hp and about 300 lbs ft torque and weighs 3605 lbs per bmw website. E550 has 382hp & 391 lbs ft torque, weighs 3885 lbs per mbusa. Now I realize we're talking about 280 lb difference but I have to believe with the additional hp and torque the E550 would easily take the 335.
In my view the only thing that would have these cars run even is driver experience or lack of.
Can you please explain how you feel these cars could be even in a race.
Thanks,
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C&D did a 0-60 on the E550 Sport and got 4.9 seconds.
Maybe yours isn't the sport so your tires aren't suited for sport activity?
E550 should definitely beat the heck out of a 335.
Vik
Maybe yours isn't the sport so your tires aren't suited for sport activity?
E550 should definitely beat the heck out of a 335.
Vik
Ok, just a fun observation.
My fiance had her 335 for a couple of month now, fun car. I love to take it once in a while and just have fun, although i cant stand driving it for more than a couple of hours. I have traded my 03 E320 for an 08 E550, (i have to say it might look like the same car, but it drives totally different. well it was expected). I only have about 1500 miles on the car and I only had KN filters swaped on the car so far. The 335 is fully stock as well (only 19" wheels).
So my buddy stoped over today to show off his 645 (just finished his M6 conversion including the M6 exhaus, i must say it looks and sounds good, i envy him a little bit). well, i asked him if he thinks 335 would be faster than e550 of the line. He is like of course, its a bimmer! Next thing we are on the street (where i live there are a lot of wide open streets with no cars on it, therefore it is somewhat safe), with the ESP off Merc's tires slip pretty bad and the car fishtails. Bimmer on the other hand sticks on the road well, thanks for the 19's. We went up to about 85 mph, and both cars ended up identical, it felt like we werent moving at all, just standing side by side. We did 3 runs, result was the same. For some reason i though the merc would pull away at leats a car's length, but i was wrong.
Any comments are welcome!
I am gonna wait till i get to about 10,000 miles and see if the engine is gonna be a little bit pullier on the 550(its still to early for the ingine to show the full potential) although i am sure the 335's 19' inch wheels slowed it by a bit as well and KN filters will add more juice to the bimmer too.
well thats all the fun i had tonite.
My fiance had her 335 for a couple of month now, fun car. I love to take it once in a while and just have fun, although i cant stand driving it for more than a couple of hours. I have traded my 03 E320 for an 08 E550, (i have to say it might look like the same car, but it drives totally different. well it was expected). I only have about 1500 miles on the car and I only had KN filters swaped on the car so far. The 335 is fully stock as well (only 19" wheels).
So my buddy stoped over today to show off his 645 (just finished his M6 conversion including the M6 exhaus, i must say it looks and sounds good, i envy him a little bit). well, i asked him if he thinks 335 would be faster than e550 of the line. He is like of course, its a bimmer! Next thing we are on the street (where i live there are a lot of wide open streets with no cars on it, therefore it is somewhat safe), with the ESP off Merc's tires slip pretty bad and the car fishtails. Bimmer on the other hand sticks on the road well, thanks for the 19's. We went up to about 85 mph, and both cars ended up identical, it felt like we werent moving at all, just standing side by side. We did 3 runs, result was the same. For some reason i though the merc would pull away at leats a car's length, but i was wrong.
Any comments are welcome!
I am gonna wait till i get to about 10,000 miles and see if the engine is gonna be a little bit pullier on the 550(its still to early for the ingine to show the full potential) although i am sure the 335's 19' inch wheels slowed it by a bit as well and KN filters will add more juice to the bimmer too.
well thats all the fun i had tonite.
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Im talking about from a dead roll...c&D I believe got around the same times 0-60 for both cars. With that said, you mentioned the e550 had a lot more wheel spin. This is what probably caused you to not be ahead of him. As far as beating the heck out of it...I cant really agree its more of a drivers race. Just my .02, nice car though =)
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Both cars should be on the money. Every review I have seen puts them within 1-2 tens of a second apart, at that point it is just techique and pure luck. HP and weight only play a part in a race- weight transfer, balance, gearing, tranny bandwidth, shift speed, torque curve sweet spot, these all play big roles in acceleration. Each one of these factors can make a big change in the outcome of a race.* The 335 motor is a modern engineering marvel, it is compact and produces a ton of power, it is also very easy to make large hp improvements. The 550, in my opinion, has a much stronger linear power delivery. During normal driving the MB has incredible low end power that makes part throttle passing exhilarating. I find the MB errs on the side of luxury as opposed to performance. This is not to say the 550 is a slouch, I have surprised a few carrera's, vettes, etc. with the ultimate levels of performance the car provides. I just find the BMW is always on the edge of performance, it handles amazingly well, its fast (although power delivery is weak on most models), but it does not let go. It never feels luxurious, it is always rough, like any milisecond a max G corner means the difference between life and death. I hate it. I drove my friends '06 M3 yesterday and after 20 minutes I was ready to leave it. I like going after a fast corner at ridiculous speeds occasionaly, but inbetween I want a solid luxurious ride. Sorry for the ramble, I guess it is the fundamental differnece between a BMW and an MB. The BMW is more outright performance, the MB is more outright luxury...
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thanks for the replies everyone. now i know that i shoulndt drag racing my car yet, its way too early. but its just one of those spontanious things u do, just out of curiousity. i drive both cars (mostly merc) and it just felt like both cars were powerful, because of the constant power delivery of merc's V8 it felt faster.i know for a fact that even though the dealer say break in period is 1300, in reality it takes a little bit more for the engine break in completely. and yes, i bought the car, so i am very gentle to it most of the time (maybe not ), however, i am not planning to keep it for more than 2 years if that, i usually export them to my home country, where by reselling it i get back my depreciation cost. If i keep it only for a year, i break even. so i feel less guilty pushing my car. as far as being sh*tty driver, maybe i am not if some may say, but cmon 3 runs and cars moving identical.
now, i have also purchased a new toyota tundra 5.7L, onloy 500 miles so far, but am waiting, looks like ts gonna be a fun car to drive as well. I am gonna see how its gonna compare to 550
. i know its not that fast, but i am gonna try anyways just for the hech of it. please dont judge to harshly, i know ya'll wanna do dumb things too sometimes 
), however, i am not planning to keep it for more than 2 years if that, i usually export them to my home country, where by reselling it i get back my depreciation cost. If i keep it only for a year, i break even. so i feel less guilty pushing my car. as far as being sh*tty driver, maybe i am not if some may say, but cmon 3 runs and cars moving identical. now, i have also purchased a new toyota tundra 5.7L, onloy 500 miles so far, but am waiting, looks like ts gonna be a fun car to drive as well. I am gonna see how its gonna compare to 550
. i know its not that fast, but i am gonna try anyways just for the hech of it. please dont judge to harshly, i know ya'll wanna do dumb things too sometimes
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I disagree that BMW are performance cars. Mercedes easily beats them in AMG cars. Needless to say that C63 is faster than new M3. The same you can tell about E55/63. It is faster than M5. Mercedes provides more powerful line of engines. BMW is a fanatic massaged badge. They keep competition only in 3 series. 5 and 7 series are losers even to Japanese cars. Infiniti G37 overhandles 335 in slalom, can you believe?
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I disagree that BMW are performance cars. Mercedes easily beats them in AMG cars. Needless to say that C63 is faster than new M3. The same you can tell about E55/63. It is faster than M5. Mercedes provides more powerful line of engines. BMW is a fanatic massaged badge. They keep competition only in 3 series. 5 and 7 series are losers even to Japanese cars. Infiniti G37 overhandles 335 in slalom, can you believe?
5 and 7 series are losers even to Japanese cars on the autobahn above 200km/h? Please refer to a Jap car that you can feel comfy going into a turn at speeds above 200km/h.
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Im talking about from a dead roll...c&D I believe got around the same times 0-60 for both cars. With that said, you mentioned the e550 had a lot more wheel spin. This is what probably caused you to not be ahead of him. As far as beating the heck out of it...I cant really agree its more of a drivers race. Just my .02, nice car though =)
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We can't go against nature. If you look in demography of 335 buyers, then you will find that majority of buyers younger 30. There are several polls on BMW forum side proving that. (they say truth even considering correction that Internet is also area for young people). Regarding Z4 you are absolutely right, Z4 is girls car and explanation is simple, women prefer shape of Z4 remaining them man's tool. Of course male owners of Z4 are gays.
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Including myself, I also did shopping considering hummer and porsche. However car's magazine rarely do such comparo. Also if you familiar with edmunds and other sites, you may notice that they provide suggestions only for the same class of cars. I do not know why.
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How can you make a comparison between unlike vehicles? You can say to yourself I'd like either an SUV or a sportscar, and in those categories I'd like a hummer or porsche, but you will be making a call on the category, not which vehicle. They cannot be compaired in nearly any way.
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what is so wrong with comparing different cars in a very simple way? i dont get it. i didnt say one is better or worse, i simply gave my observations.
for example, couple of my friends raced a G55 vs. Camry 3.5. and camry won on the stretch of maybe 250 meters. stupid race some would say. two different cars, but as long as its fun, who give a sh*t.
if i did wrong, by comparing e550 to a 335, because they are such different cars, i am sorry. for some reason i though it would be ok with people here.
p.s. funny thing, i have a feeling if this post had been on the bimmer forum, ppl would prob. say oh the person driving bimmer was doing smth wrong, or he that he is a sh*tty driver, and bla bla bla.....
for example, couple of my friends raced a G55 vs. Camry 3.5. and camry won on the stretch of maybe 250 meters. stupid race some would say. two different cars, but as long as its fun, who give a sh*t.
if i did wrong, by comparing e550 to a 335, because they are such different cars, i am sorry. for some reason i though it would be ok with people here.
p.s. funny thing, i have a feeling if this post had been on the bimmer forum, ppl would prob. say oh the person driving bimmer was doing smth wrong, or he that he is a sh*tty driver, and bla bla bla.....
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