Gondon

I'd love to run your E500

Benz-O-Rama

I'd love to race ANY Benz in 500 flavor. Bring yours down to our next M.I.R. event and let's see what's what.

Gondon

How about you come down to one of the meets and we'll run from light to light

Gondon

I think those figures are for 55k Cars and not N/A.

Benz-O-Rama

I'll be at the MBWorld East Coast fishing trip, but I prefer on a drag strip.

You will gain 7-10%, regardless of platform. Dyno proven of 7% gain, but more is possible.

Stock is 302*.07=21.14 at the crank using the low number of 7% gain

21.14*.82=17.33 (Using the universal agreement of 18% drive train loss on our cars)

So, figure 15-20hp, at the wheels, on stock E500. Plus, my car is not stock so the gains are exponentially higher.

Lorinser55

again your not making more then 10hp with those headers even with all you mods.

Evosport headers are better hence why they are more money.


Your are the same stock design as the regualr manifold just alittle bigger.


look at the design between the two def a big difference



sorry but there is no comparison

Benz-O-Rama

We'll see when the car gets dyno'd.

Anything else is just speculation.

And BTW, nowhere did I say that the VRPs were better than anything else. I stated that VRP is claiming (with proven dyno results) similar gains to the EVO shorty's at a much lower price point. The EVOs are a great product, I'm not disputing that. My guess, is that I'm going to see the same 15-20 that you're seeing with your EVOs.


I'm glad you're happy with your EVOs. They're also a great product. Enjoy them.

Lorinser55

with my evos im seeing more then 20hp.

i hope you will push 15-20hp out of those but dont be dissapointed if you dont

Gondon

Benz-O when is dyno day for you?

I know you need to have a 55k car to get the most performance out of these headers. On N/A im skeptical but we will see your dyno

Lorinser55

the e500 is at least 500 pounds lighter then the s500. so with all those mods and hes not stock on a RWD car he will rip the shat out of you.

Benz-O-Rama

You'll get 7-10% gain of current horsepower and torque, regardless of platform. So naturally, the E55 is going to see a higher gain, but it'll still be the same 7-10% curve.

Not sure on the dyno day yet. It's hard with a job, wife, toddler and infant. But I'll get it worked out.

My last pass was 13.49@102.5. Currently, the quickest in the country for an E500. There's probably a few that have blowers on them somewhere, but I can't find them anywhere. People just don't do a whole lot of performance mods on these things. And for a good reason. It just doesn't make a lot of fiscal sense. You can get an E55 for the amount I have in my car.

Benz-O-Rama

Interesting, because in the below post you claimed you got 15hp and 18tq.

Benz-O-Rama

Found this in the E55 forum.

I have no affiliation with this seller, but someone should go grab these EVO shorties!

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts/1068881510.html

storm

[quote=Lorinser55;3405162]again your not making more then 10hp with those headers even with all you mods.

Evosport headers are better hence why they are more money.


Your are the same stock design as the regualr manifold just alittle bigger.


look at the design between the two def a big difference



NOT TRUE

VADIM and others have dyno'ed headers change out in NA benz
and they get around 18-22 hp from NA cars for SHORTIES
and they get up to 35 for KLEEMAN long tubes with cats..


BRABUB< KLEEMANN, VRP, EVO, and others will all tell you that, and have dyno's to prove it..

anyone knows the merc headers stock are small, and basic and conservative.. and its easy to get 20 hp oout of a change of headers.

BENZORAMA is right,, he is getting more HP for sure..

tons of evidence of this with OEM TUNERS..

and I have seen this many times when I tested cars on the tracks and road for GM and PORSCHE< when they did exhaust changes before final production on prototypes

gikser

will the evosport shorties fit my e500???

Benz-O-Rama

Yes sir. Supposedly plug and play, just like my VRPs. $900.00 is a good price too. Remember, the W211 E55 and W211 E500 both use the same M113 block. My VRPs are actually made for the E55 and they bolted right up without any modification.

Someone should really jump on those EVOs. Hell, the LETs he's selling are good too!

NCE500

I'd say you've built a very nice German Hot Rod. Looks and sounds great. I predict low 13's next time at the drags......but.......what about the current prices of those used E55s? Tempting...for me anyway.

Very nice outcome.

Lorinser55

i failed to mention it was on a stock setup before any ecu tuning or other perfomance parts i have added since the headers.

Lorinser55

NOT TRUE

VADIM and others have dyno'ed headers change out in NA benz
and they get around 18-22 hp from NA cars for SHORTIES
and they get up to 35 for KLEEMAN long tubes with cats..




you are comparing shorties to long tubes which are similar expect the longtube are longer.


The VRPs are not even the same design its comparing apples to oranges almost.....there pretty much larger stock manifolds. Yes he will get more HP but he is no where getting 15-20rwhp out of those headers.


hurry with the dyno if you pull 15-20rwhp im selling my EVOS buying the VRP ones and with the money i have left throw a MBworld BBQ somewhere in Brooklyn lol

Benz-O-Rama

3 Questions:

1. What car do you have your headers on?
2. What other performance mods do you have?
3. What did it dyno?

Gondon

300 pounds..not 500.

So what for all I know Benz-O could weight 600 pounds !!

AMGTestDriverNJ

Benz-O was this a group buy? How did these end up getting produced? How many people needed to order them for production to start? I really want a v6 set.

W211 Ryda

Congrats Clayton! Looks like you're near finish with your mod list! Let's see how long before you slap on a 500-K3 under the hood!

http://kleemann.dk/Performance/Engines/V8M113.aspx#

storm

[quote=Lorinser55;3405818]NOT TRUE


you are comparing shorties to long tubes which are similar expect the longtube are longer.""




NOPE

nowhere did I compare the 2 I know the difference,

what I said is,, you said that benz's shorties would not give more than
10 HP, and I said that is wrong and they are dyno tested more like 18-22 horespower

then I said, and the LONG TUBE from KLEEMANN, produce even more power
from 25-35,

that is what I said, just to clarify,, it

have a nice day

Benz-O-Rama

No sir. These are the same VRP shorties that are sold for the W211 E55 AMG. Since they share the same basic engine architecture, the headers are a simple bolt-on solution.

Thanks man. Shhhhhh, keep that supercharger talk quiet. You never know what I'm gonna do. Could you imagine?