Interesting.. How is the W211 SO much more aerodynamic than a CLS?!
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Interesting.. How is the W211 SO much more aerodynamic than a CLS?!
I'm interested in knowing a bit more about how aerodynamics work.
If you put a W211, W220, W221, and a CLS side by side, obviously the CLS looks like the most aerodynamic of them all.
However, that is way wrong. The CLS gets a pretty "poor" .31 C/D, while the W211 and the two S's all get about a .27 C/D.
That's a pretty big difference.
If you put a W211, W220, W221, and a CLS side by side, obviously the CLS looks like the most aerodynamic of them all.
However, that is way wrong. The CLS gets a pretty "poor" .31 C/D, while the W211 and the two S's all get about a .27 C/D.
That's a pretty big difference.
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E55 faster than CLS55. Ya, the E is great and so many people buy the CLS thinking it is more aerodynamic.
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It's so funny, because you'd assume that's the case. I wonder what makes the W211 so much more aero? Probably just a more functional design.
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Haha. 
Really though, I part next to a 219 and it looks like my car would be pushing against the air more, the 219 seems like it would cut right through easier. Makes you realize aerodynamics are more than just about shape..... Well it makes me realize that, lol, I'm sure many people had already known that by now.
Really though, I part next to a 219 and it looks like my car would be pushing against the air more, the 219 seems like it would cut right through easier. Makes you realize aerodynamics are more than just about shape..... Well it makes me realize that, lol, I'm sure many people had already known that by now.
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You gotta hand it to M-B, those mf'ers really know how to make an aerodynamic car.
I recently read that the new BMW 7'er gets a .31 or something like that, and the Audi A5 gets around there too. The W212 is like a freakin' .25, and the Coupe even better. Some of them don't look like total aero mobiles so much (save for the Coupe in this case), but obviously is some engineering wizardry.
I recently read that the new BMW 7'er gets a .31 or something like that, and the Audi A5 gets around there too. The W212 is like a freakin' .25, and the Coupe even better. Some of them don't look like total aero mobiles so much (save for the Coupe in this case), but obviously is some engineering wizardry.
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Was just reading in the PCA's Panorama Magazine that Porsche made the new GT3 too slippery. So they made some changes to pick up a little more downdraft. They needed some more air to help force the tires to stick to the road.
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Ahh, I was gonna ask about that too. I know Porsche is very **** about Downforce, Drag, Aero, etc. But I'd realized the 911 bodies have a worse C/D than my 4-Door box E. So I assumed, given that, and BMW, Audi, the more performance oriented cars, etc. not going too low in Aero, means that engineering some drag and resistance is good for high speed runs. ?
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Ahh, I was gonna ask about that too. I know Porsche is very **** about Downforce, Drag, Aero, etc. But I'd realized the 911 bodies have a worse C/D than my 4-Door box E. So I assumed, given that, and BMW, Audi, the more performance oriented cars, etc. not going too low in Aero, means that engineering some drag and resistance is good for high speed runs. ?
That little spoiler on the trunk lid of the AMGs is (theoretically) to force air to push down the rear end. But in reality it's more cosmetic since it's a street car. The GT3, on the other hand, was built to be close to being 100% track ready.
F1 cars are all about wings and wing placement for drag and lift, etc.. (lots of rules on how they can or can't be used, etc..)
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The E has a higher trunk, the CLS has a lower trunk. The higher trunk actually helps aerodynamics.
This requires a lot of understanding of aerodynamic physics. It also helps if you've been in a wind tunnel. You can't necessarily tell by looking at the car.
Did you know, that within the E-Class, an E220, E350, and E550 might have different aerodynamics! I know that within the BMW 3-series coupe, the 328i and the 335i coupes have different Cd ratings.
This requires a lot of understanding of aerodynamic physics. It also helps if you've been in a wind tunnel. You can't necessarily tell by looking at the car.
Did you know, that within the E-Class, an E220, E350, and E550 might have different aerodynamics! I know that within the BMW 3-series coupe, the 328i and the 335i coupes have different Cd ratings.
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Yeah a slippery everyday car is great for gas mileage (that's the point in street cars.) But at high speeds you need the car to have some downforce to help keep it stuck to the road. Front splitters keep air from lifting the front and wings in the back help keep the rear down.
That little spoiler on the trunk lid of the AMGs is (theoretically) to force air to push down the rear end. But in reality it's more cosmetic since it's a street car. The GT3, on the other hand, was built to be close to being 100% track ready.
F1 cars are all about wings and wing placement for drag and lift, etc.. (lots of rules on how they can or can't be used, etc..)
That little spoiler on the trunk lid of the AMGs is (theoretically) to force air to push down the rear end. But in reality it's more cosmetic since it's a street car. The GT3, on the other hand, was built to be close to being 100% track ready.
F1 cars are all about wings and wing placement for drag and lift, etc.. (lots of rules on how they can or can't be used, etc..)
Regarding F1 cars, the FIA actually stipulate where you can put the wings and how big the wings can be. The FIA gives a schematic of a chassis with red boxes, each box is labeled with what can be put on it. It may say wing and dimensions allowed, one box will say this has to be empty space, etc...
Oh, believe it or not, your little wing on the E63 actually contributes a noticeable amount of downforce at high speeds. It looks subtle, but everything helps. Basically, these tiny lip wings increase downforce with almost no increase in drag, so it's a good tradeoff.
Nice to see someone who knows a bit about aerodynamics. You sure can learn quite a bit by just looking closely at an F1 car.
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The E has a higher trunk, the CLS has a lower trunk. The higher trunk actually helps aerodynamics.
This requires a lot of understanding of aerodynamic physics. It also helps if you've been in a wind tunnel. You can't necessarily tell by looking at the car.
Did you know, that within the E-Class, an E220, E350, and E550 might have different aerodynamics! I know that within the BMW 3-series coupe, the 328i and the 335i coupes have different Cd ratings.
This requires a lot of understanding of aerodynamic physics. It also helps if you've been in a wind tunnel. You can't necessarily tell by looking at the car.
Did you know, that within the E-Class, an E220, E350, and E550 might have different aerodynamics! I know that within the BMW 3-series coupe, the 328i and the 335i coupes have different Cd ratings.
True about the different models, it has to do with the body cladding I'm sure. I know the AMG body kits lower the CD by .1 or so points.
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In all seriousness, this wikipedia article has an interesting chart of drag coefficients: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automob...s_and_examples
Given that a Hummer H2 has a coefficent of 0.57, I'd imagine the G-Wagon would probably be around there (maybe a little less, but probably in the 0.4-0.5 range).
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