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CME4Benz,
Dont tell me that!!! ARghh!
I understand you work at MB in westchester, but why would your info be different then Glauser in Colorado? I hope we will know soon though for sure.. Maybe the 7G is an option?
YA know.. this is one of those things.. I dont even really know why I want the 7G I just do.. I have the 5 Speed auto transmission now in a C class, and I have to say I love the transmission to death.. Best I have ever driven.. I am sure I would love it in an E class as well.
I guess I dont care deep down, but I just want the 7G
Dont tell me that!!! ARghh!
I understand you work at MB in westchester, but why would your info be different then Glauser in Colorado? I hope we will know soon though for sure.. Maybe the 7G is an option?
YA know.. this is one of those things.. I dont even really know why I want the 7G I just do.. I have the 5 Speed auto transmission now in a C class, and I have to say I love the transmission to death.. Best I have ever driven.. I am sure I would love it in an E class as well.
I guess I dont care deep down, but I just want the 7G
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The 7g definitely helps performance especially in the passing area as well as giving a small improvement in fuel consumption. The only thing about it is that I have not found it quite as smooth in my 04 E500 as the 5g in certain driving conditions.
I am looking forward to my E320 cdi that I'm picking up at the factory on May 24th. I hope it has the 7g but won't feel too bad if it is the 5.
I am looking forward to my E320 cdi that I'm picking up at the factory on May 24th. I hope it has the 7g but won't feel too bad if it is the 5.
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MBJim,
Since you have ordered yours already, let me ask. Did you get the 4 zone climate control on it? Karl sent me a letter from MB stating it was being removed as an individually available option. Im wondering if this means it will be in the premium package or something? I really want it..
Thanks
Since you have ordered yours already, let me ask. Did you get the 4 zone climate control on it? Karl sent me a letter from MB stating it was being removed as an individually available option. Im wondering if this means it will be in the premium package or something? I really want it..
Thanks
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MB-JIM
The 7g definitely helps performance especially in the passing area as well as giving a small improvement in fuel consumption. The only thing about it is that I have not found it quite as smooth in my 04 E500 as the 5g in certain driving conditions.
I am looking forward to my E320 cdi that I'm picking up at the factory on May 24th. I hope it has the 7g but won't feel too bad if it is the 5. [/QUOTE
I don't think you will see the 7G in the 320CDI until MB switches to the V6 CDI later in 2004 or early 2005.
Jack
The 7g definitely helps performance especially in the passing area as well as giving a small improvement in fuel consumption. The only thing about it is that I have not found it quite as smooth in my 04 E500 as the 5g in certain driving conditions.
I am looking forward to my E320 cdi that I'm picking up at the factory on May 24th. I hope it has the 7g but won't feel too bad if it is the 5. [/QUOTE
I don't think you will see the 7G in the 320CDI until MB switches to the V6 CDI later in 2004 or early 2005.
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Nevada Jack,
Where did you hear about them changing the I6 to a V6? I asked the dealer's tech manager and he said they wont change the I6 to a V6 for the E class only for the ML.
There is no problem with having both the engine in the pipe they said cause the CDI E class are all made in Germany and the ML in Alabama.
He also noted that a change to a V6 would be a pointless for the E, as it would be a step down in smoothness, and those that want something else in the E will get the gas engines or in 2 to 3 years will get the V8 400 TT diesel.
BTW... is MBusa.com down for anyone else? I havent been able to get on there since Friday.
Where did you hear about them changing the I6 to a V6? I asked the dealer's tech manager and he said they wont change the I6 to a V6 for the E class only for the ML.
There is no problem with having both the engine in the pipe they said cause the CDI E class are all made in Germany and the ML in Alabama.
He also noted that a change to a V6 would be a pointless for the E, as it would be a step down in smoothness, and those that want something else in the E will get the gas engines or in 2 to 3 years will get the V8 400 TT diesel.
BTW... is MBusa.com down for anyone else? I havent been able to get on there since Friday.
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I have never contradicted anyone on this forum and I don't intend to start here, BUT. I will be VERY surprised if the first batch of 320CDI (or any other CDI) comes with the 7G transmisssion. I always try to be factual in my information, and to the best of my knowledge there is not a single country that has a 320CDI with 7G transmission.
We are not fortunate enough to have the 400CDI, but I believe that I have read that even that does not come with the 7G option. (I believe the torque of the engine is causing concern with the 7 speed transmission) However things may well have progressed and these problems no doubt will easily rectified.
I cannot imagine Mercedes-Benz producing both an inline 320CDI and a V6 320CDI???? The inline engine as reported by Fastbuck and myself, is a wonderfully quiet, powerful and smooth engine.
Good luck with your wish for the 7G, but the 5 speed is a wonderful combination.
Bye for now,
John
We are not fortunate enough to have the 400CDI, but I believe that I have read that even that does not come with the 7G option. (I believe the torque of the engine is causing concern with the 7 speed transmission) However things may well have progressed and these problems no doubt will easily rectified.
I cannot imagine Mercedes-Benz producing both an inline 320CDI and a V6 320CDI???? The inline engine as reported by Fastbuck and myself, is a wonderfully quiet, powerful and smooth engine.
Good luck with your wish for the 7G, but the 5 speed is a wonderful combination.
Bye for now,
John
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I have read that the inline cdi's will be replaced with a new V6 model and I am trying to find the reference.
In the meantime here is a picture from I think the North Ameicain Auto Show in Detroit. Notice the caption.
http://www.nevadajack.us
In the meantime here is a picture from I think the North Ameicain Auto Show in Detroit. Notice the caption.
http://www.nevadajack.us
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Originally posted by Nevada Jack
I have read that the inline cdi's will be replaced with a new V6 model and I am trying to find the reference.
I have read that the inline cdi's will be replaced with a new V6 model and I am trying to find the reference.
http://www.mbspy.com/
God luck surfing
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Thanks for the URL...I have read Juergen's site for many years and in fact I just sent him a note to try and clarify the V6 situation. He has on his Time Line the entry about the shift to V6 from the inline 6 to occur in 2004.
It well may be that the new V6 will only be used in the new ML and the inline will continue to be used in the E...but that would be a strange arrangement to have two different 320 diesel engines.
Jack
It well may be that the new V6 will only be used in the new ML and the inline will continue to be used in the E...but that would be a strange arrangement to have two different 320 diesel engines.
Jack
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Here is the entry in 2004 that Juergen has for the diesel engines:
2004 and later: Six-cylinder CDI-engines to change from inline- to V-type
His information is usually accurate.
2004 and later: Six-cylinder CDI-engines to change from inline- to V-type
His information is usually accurate.
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Originally posted by Nevada Jack
Thanks for the URL...I have read Juergen's site for many years and in fact I just sent him a note to try and clarify the V6 situation. He has on his Time Line the entry about the shift to V6 from the inline 6 to occur in 2004.
It well may be that the new V6 will only be used in the new ML and the inline will continue to be used in the E...but that would be a strange arrangement to have two different 320 diesel engines.
Jack
Thanks for the URL...I have read Juergen's site for many years and in fact I just sent him a note to try and clarify the V6 situation. He has on his Time Line the entry about the shift to V6 from the inline 6 to occur in 2004.
It well may be that the new V6 will only be used in the new ML and the inline will continue to be used in the E...but that would be a strange arrangement to have two different 320 diesel engines.
Jack
Juergen has always been an excellent source, and there is no doubt the engine will be replaced, but when the time comes for its replacement it will be in a blaze of publicity. This has not happened and I just cannot believe that 320CDI's that are at present being produced are being fitted with a V6 engine. This is solely my own opinion, and I have been known to be wrong before.
Furthermore, there is no ML 320CDI, which I find strange, if the engine has indeed been released.
Mind you I don't believe in aliens\Flying Saucers, Crop Circles (made supernaturally), Ghosts, conspiracy theories etc. etc.
Take care,
John
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Originally posted by glojo
Totally agree it would not make sense having the two engines. At present we can only have a 5 cylinder diesel in the ML. No doubt a V6 320CDI will fit. Logicallly it would follow that the V6 320CDI would replace completely the in line six cylinder.
Juergen has always been an excellent source, and there is no doubt the engine will be replaced, but when the time comes for its replacement it will be in a blaze of publicity. This has not happened and I just cannot believe that 320CDI's that are at present being produced are being fitted with a V6 engine. This is solely my own opinion, and I have been known to be wrong before.
Furthermore, there is no ML 320CDI, which I find strange, if the engine has indeed been released.
Mind you I don't believe in aliens\Flying Saucers, Crop Circles (made supernaturally), Ghosts, conspiracy theories etc. etc.
Take care,
John
Totally agree it would not make sense having the two engines. At present we can only have a 5 cylinder diesel in the ML. No doubt a V6 320CDI will fit. Logicallly it would follow that the V6 320CDI would replace completely the in line six cylinder.
Juergen has always been an excellent source, and there is no doubt the engine will be replaced, but when the time comes for its replacement it will be in a blaze of publicity. This has not happened and I just cannot believe that 320CDI's that are at present being produced are being fitted with a V6 engine. This is solely my own opinion, and I have been known to be wrong before.
Furthermore, there is no ML 320CDI, which I find strange, if the engine has indeed been released.
Mind you I don't believe in aliens\Flying Saucers, Crop Circles (made supernaturally), Ghosts, conspiracy theories etc. etc.
Take care,
John
I do not see the V6 in any of the early USA deliveries but would think that once it is announced, it would be in the US model. If they would put the inline or the V6 in the wagon (Estate) over here I would be first in line for one. I have owned 3 diesels wagons in the past and would have liked one in place of my present 2003 sedan.
Have a good one....
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Originally posted by Adobe
Is this cause for concern?
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
Is this cause for concern?
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
"where the sulfur content of diesel fuel ranges from an average of about 140 parts per million (ppm) by weight in California to 340 ppm in the rest of the country, is much more difficult than it is in Europe, where sulfur levels are as low as 10 ppm in Sweden and Germany"
No wonder the World is complaining about pollution. UK diesel is much lower than the 10ppm Sulphur content. It will be interesting to see what the service intervals of the CDI engines will be when using your fuel.
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Detroit pretty much controls US politicians. If Detroit isn't interested in diesel technology, the future of diesels in the US is bleak.
I doubt we'll ever see the CDI sold in California and maybe we won't see diesel passenger cars sold anywhere in the US a few years from now.
Detroit also has two sets of rules regarding things like CAFE averages. Since more than half the vehicles coming out of Detroit are considered small trucks, they get a different set of rules than regular passenger cars.
Consider this...there is a $1,000 gas guzzler tax on the 500E but nothing on the Ford Expedition or the GM Suburban.
I'm wondering what our high sulfur diesel fuel is going to do to the cat(s) on the CDI..
I doubt we'll ever see the CDI sold in California and maybe we won't see diesel passenger cars sold anywhere in the US a few years from now.
Detroit also has two sets of rules regarding things like CAFE averages. Since more than half the vehicles coming out of Detroit are considered small trucks, they get a different set of rules than regular passenger cars.
Consider this...there is a $1,000 gas guzzler tax on the 500E but nothing on the Ford Expedition or the GM Suburban.
I'm wondering what our high sulfur diesel fuel is going to do to the cat(s) on the CDI..
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Hi Adobe,
Please forgive the spelling, but we hear a lot over here about 'Haliburton' is pulling a lot of strings on policy making decisions.
The CDI engines do have very sophisticated catalytic converters which may well be expensive items to replace (ouch)
John
Please forgive the spelling, but we hear a lot over here about 'Haliburton' is pulling a lot of strings on policy making decisions.
The CDI engines do have very sophisticated catalytic converters which may well be expensive items to replace (ouch)
John
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I dont think i would say detroit controls anyone really.. They just suck soo bad lately, it would be too blatant. The gasguzzler issue is because of price point I believe or the fact that an Expedition is a Class E light truck vs a sedan.
True, our diesel sucks at the momment, but its really only an efficiency issue and particulate issue. No damage should occur to the catalytic converters because of it. Even if it does, catalytic converters have a mandatory warranty by federal law to either 70,000 or 90,000 I forget which. Manufacturers have to warranty them independent of the rest of the vehicle.
The diesel engine I am running now doesnt even have a catalytic converter, and I pass emissions in 45 states.
True, our diesel sucks at the momment, but its really only an efficiency issue and particulate issue. No damage should occur to the catalytic converters because of it. Even if it does, catalytic converters have a mandatory warranty by federal law to either 70,000 or 90,000 I forget which. Manufacturers have to warranty them independent of the rest of the vehicle.
The diesel engine I am running now doesnt even have a catalytic converter, and I pass emissions in 45 states.
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Current emission standards for diesels are nothing more than a check to see if the vehicle exceeds a set particulate level. Current diesels aren't going to pass the emission standards coming down the line.
The Mercedes CDI diesels have cataltyc converters. Read the Car and Driver article to see why. High sulfur diesel fuel can damage those cats. I expect to drive a Mercedes diesel for hundreds of thousands of miles so the warranty on the cats doesn't mean much.
And yes, American car companies are getting a break from the pols. Why is it that the E500 is charged with a gas guzzler tax when most full size SUV's and trucks get much poorer fuel economy and are not charged with the tax? It's because the pols put loopholes in the Moss/Magnuson act to help Detroit.
The Mercedes CDI diesels have cataltyc converters. Read the Car and Driver article to see why. High sulfur diesel fuel can damage those cats. I expect to drive a Mercedes diesel for hundreds of thousands of miles so the warranty on the cats doesn't mean much.
And yes, American car companies are getting a break from the pols. Why is it that the E500 is charged with a gas guzzler tax when most full size SUV's and trucks get much poorer fuel economy and are not charged with the tax? It's because the pols put loopholes in the Moss/Magnuson act to help Detroit.
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Well, I would disagree a little.. the SUV/truck class of vehicle doesnt have a gas guzzler tax cause they are just that, trucks and SUV's . And most small business owners use them in their business.. Thus to provide a benefit to business owners they get the tax break.. I support that policy as small business is what makes the economy in this country work and I am one of that crowd. So if thats what you mean I guess I agree.. but its hardly a Detroit thing.. Thats on any manufacturer.
I know about the cats in the 320, and I understand why they are there. I too will keep the 320 for 150k + miles.. My point was simply that you will only have to drive on the ****ty diesel for a year and half at most, and anything that could cack them up during that time most likely will show its head before 70k miles.. I hope at least.. I have no science to back that up..
I know about the cats in the 320, and I understand why they are there. I too will keep the 320 for 150k + miles.. My point was simply that you will only have to drive on the ****ty diesel for a year and half at most, and anything that could cack them up during that time most likely will show its head before 70k miles.. I hope at least.. I have no science to back that up..
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320cdi
There are not much info available in the US on new 320cdi MY05.
Considering the lower fuel cost and economy 320cdi may be a true hit on US market...
I never had a diesel MB so I have some questions for 320cdi owners:
Is it true that the noise level is practically the same as gasoline E320?
Is it true that 320cdi has better acceleration than gasoline E320?
Thnx
Considering the lower fuel cost and economy 320cdi may be a true hit on US market...
I never had a diesel MB so I have some questions for 320cdi owners:
Is it true that the noise level is practically the same as gasoline E320?
Is it true that 320cdi has better acceleration than gasoline E320?
Thnx
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If you are in New York state. You cant buy one unfortunately..
AT least not yet, maybe 2006.. You may be able to buy one in another state though, and then regester it in NY.. but god what a mess, and I would doubt it...
AT least not yet, maybe 2006.. You may be able to buy one in another state though, and then regester it in NY.. but god what a mess, and I would doubt it...
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Re: 320cdi
Originally posted by DMI+RY
There are not much info available in the US on new 320cdi MY05.
Considering the lower fuel cost and economy 320cdi may be a true hit on US market...
I never had a diesel MB so I have some questions for 320cdi owners:
Is it true that the noise level is practically the same as gasoline E320?
Is it true that 320cdi has better acceleration than gasoline E320?
Thnx
There are not much info available in the US on new 320cdi MY05.
Considering the lower fuel cost and economy 320cdi may be a true hit on US market...
I never had a diesel MB so I have some questions for 320cdi owners:
Is it true that the noise level is practically the same as gasoline E320?
Is it true that 320cdi has better acceleration than gasoline E320?
Thnx
Yes YesThe 320CDI is very quiet indeed.
The acceleration in most tests out performs the 320 Petrol
In the Uk the 320CDI with exactly the same options as the petrol is cheaper to buy.
And the economy is to die for. So I would recommend the 320 petrol
Bye for now,
John
