E65 !!
E65 !!
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Originally Posted by jprescott
Todays Autospies.com states that MB will put this up against the M5. Too cool. 
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What I don't get is why MB has to come out with all these freakin models. As if the E55 isn't luxurious and sporty enough, the E65 will contend with the M5?
Maybe this forum has members that should be assigned as board of directors to Mercedes-Benz as far as model-release decision makers go...
Maybe this forum has members that should be assigned as board of directors to Mercedes-Benz as far as model-release decision makers go...
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im sure the E65 will be a nice car, that is, even if it does come out, but what is it going to offer...maybe a little faster, and at the same time heavier, which isnt going to help handling...if MB chooses this route, and does make it faster, i dont think its going to help that much, since M5 will still blow off the E55's doors in the handling dept. if they can make it handle a lot better, that would be a real monster though!
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Originally Posted by bmms8
if MB chooses this route, and does make it faster, i dont think its going to help that much, since M5 will still blow off the E55's doors in the handling dept. if they can make it handle a lot better, that would be a real monster though!
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Taking out auto recirculation and charcoal filters, having numerous electronic glitches, and spending engineering dollars (euros?) on drag racing/Bonneville 4-door sedans seems to be a misuse of resources. IMHO.
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Originally Posted by anthem
That doesn't make a lot of sense. the E55 is what is positioned against the M5 and its already stickered higher (which MB can do with its perceived higher luxury). But putting an E65 is a bit outlandish. Not sure you can compare the two at that point since the E65 will almost definitely be 150K+. . .
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Originally Posted by EPower
Wait till you see what BMW will be getting for the new M5's and you'll see this isn't true. The new M5, if you can get one, will be close to $100K, and thats before the dealer markup. I am guessing the dealers here in SoCal will be getting $50 to $75K markups on these for the first year, at least.
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Originally Posted by CALBenzo
Yeah, when my friend first bought the X5 a few year back, he paid a $15K premium. Speaking of which, I thought MB used to advertise that they would not mark up their cars due to demand. I was at the dealership yesterday, and they had a $5K premium on the C55.
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The details-free AutoSpies "story" on the E65 is at:
http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...&categoryId=10
... not that it's hard to find. This kind of one-upsmanship is a rarified game played by auto executives that has very little real-world meaning. It's like "Oh yeah? Your V-10 ain't nuttin' I'll put a V-12 in my mid-size sedan, so there!" Contrary to what AutoSpies says, an E65 would not "end the peeing contest once and for all." If the "rumor" (as AutoSpies puts it) of an E65 proves accurate, we can surely expect a BMW M5 6.0 in two or three years from now.
http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...&categoryId=10
... not that it's hard to find. This kind of one-upsmanship is a rarified game played by auto executives that has very little real-world meaning. It's like "Oh yeah? Your V-10 ain't nuttin' I'll put a V-12 in my mid-size sedan, so there!" Contrary to what AutoSpies says, an E65 would not "end the peeing contest once and for all." If the "rumor" (as AutoSpies puts it) of an E65 proves accurate, we can surely expect a BMW M5 6.0 in two or three years from now.
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Originally Posted by jprescott
E65 is the 7. E60 is the new 5.
At least, here's news regarding the E60 wagon version: http://www.mbspy.com/211e60amg.htm
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I don't think M5 demand will be as high as it was in the go-go 90s. Think of all the M5s repossesed out of the Cisco parking lot!
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How can anyone speculate how the M5 will blow any doors off the E55K when it'll have a heavy-a$$ V10 up front. I will NOT believe it's gonna way out handle the E55 until CONCRETE evidence is shown. Saying "ooh my buddy's cousin's friend has one and it spanks!!" will not suffice either.
The E65 would just be overkill, the E55K is more than enough of a contender for the M5..
The E65 would just be overkill, the E55K is more than enough of a contender for the M5..
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Actually, the M5 is a much more primordial car. The E55 is an interesting supercharged engine, in a medium state of tune (90 hp/liter supercharged) with an automatic transmission and a slightly stiffer version of a luxury car suspension.
The M5 has a highly tuned normally aspirated engine (over 100 hp/liter, although I can't figure out why they went V10 in a street sedan), electronically shifted manual gearbox, LSD, etc... It is much stiffer than any of its street versions. It is very extreme.
The E55 is a car a normal person can use to commute to work. The M5 can be used that way. But it extracts a penalty. If an E500 or a 545 auto is year current ride, you will like the E55, IMHO. However, if you think a 545 SMG is not enough...you want an M5.
Personally, for M5 $$$, I would spend my lira (euros?) on a Maserati Quattroporte.
The M5 has a highly tuned normally aspirated engine (over 100 hp/liter, although I can't figure out why they went V10 in a street sedan), electronically shifted manual gearbox, LSD, etc... It is much stiffer than any of its street versions. It is very extreme.
The E55 is a car a normal person can use to commute to work. The M5 can be used that way. But it extracts a penalty. If an E500 or a 545 auto is year current ride, you will like the E55, IMHO. However, if you think a 545 SMG is not enough...you want an M5.
Personally, for M5 $$$, I would spend my lira (euros?) on a Maserati Quattroporte.
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Thats interesting advertising...however I don't think it can be the reality (other than both being V10s).
The F1 engine is a 3 liter built to have the absolute minimum cross section and weight. There is no way that could be enlarged to a 5 liter. The F1 has cylinder heads that flow at 18000+ rpm, with the power peak there. They have pneumatic valve springs. And I'm sure different cam drives.
Other than both being BMW V10s, I'm pretty sure the Chevy LS1/2/6/7 have more in common with an SBC than the M5's engine has with a their F1 engine.
The F1 engine is a 3 liter built to have the absolute minimum cross section and weight. There is no way that could be enlarged to a 5 liter. The F1 has cylinder heads that flow at 18000+ rpm, with the power peak there. They have pneumatic valve springs. And I'm sure different cam drives.
Other than both being BMW V10s, I'm pretty sure the Chevy LS1/2/6/7 have more in common with an SBC than the M5's engine has with a their F1 engine.
