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Secret menu in the 05's COMAND unit.

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Old 03-19-2011, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mackhack
Sorta wrong. Nav drive has a processor inside. This processor is nothing more than a micro controller that needs food in form of software. Software is written by humans and we all know we're not perfect (some think they are though) and so is the firmware that runs on the micro controller (has bugs). Smart as they are at Navteq, they're using the map DVD as a transport media to fix these bugs which they produced before. Perhaps they also add some new stuff that we might or might not see.

Each time you buy the latest map DVD the drive's processor has a routine to check if it needs to get updated. If yes, you will see the 2 progress bars in your COMAND showing you the update process of the nav drive's firmware. If you don't see them, it doesn't update anything.

The nav processor does more than just reading navigational data. It takes all the single voice samples and puts them together to generate a full sentence. Each number (digits) each word is one single sample on the DVD. When she whispers in your ear something like "Please use next exit and make an immediate right turn" then your processor in the trunk took 10 works put them together and voila you got the woman talking to you.

Sorry, my sarcasm came out a lil bit but makes sense what I'm trying to explain, right?
Makes perfect sense. I didn't even consider the linguistics, either. I just assumed that the map disk contained only the map overlay and POIs for the GPS.

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Old 03-19-2011, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama
Makes perfect sense. I didn't even conider the linguistics. I just assumed that the map disk contained only the map overlay and POIs for the GPS.

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Old 03-20-2011, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama
Makes perfect sense. I didn't even consider the linguistics, either. I just assumed that the map disk contained only the map overlay and POIs for the GPS.

I learnt me sumpin'.
If I am not mistaken, your unit is manufactured by Alpine instead of Harman/Becker, which is the same unit that is in the W220. This unit will indeed play audio from a DVD-Video disc by default (unlike the W211/W219) on the US version.

The SL should take the same map disc as the E, CLS, and S-Class vehicles.

You probably would need a developer SDS to change that setting in the COMAND. I am going to put together a tutorial soon so anyone can go into these "secret menus" if they want to change COMAND settings, Instrument Cluster settings, rain close feature, tank info feature, etc. It is a work in progress but I expect to have it done soon. It will have screenshots and videos of how to change these settings.
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began reading but not really willing to sift through 11 pages of arguing...can someone please just clarify if the MP3 on DVD will play in the single-disc slot actually on the comand unit itself or would it need to be put into the nav drive in the trunk? Or can DVDs be used in the CD changer for that matter?
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Originally Posted by jcat
began reading but not really willing to sift through 11 pages of arguing...can someone please just clarify if the MP3 on DVD will play in the single-disc slot actually on the comand unit itself or would it need to be put into the nav drive in the trunk? Or can DVDs be used in the CD changer for that matter?
I don't know about your MY but in MY2004 W211 "the MP3 on DVD will play in the single-disc slot actually on the comand unit itself"
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I don't know about your MY but in MY2004 W211 "the MP3 on DVD will play in the single-disc slot actually on the comand unit itself"
Ditto. Just burned a 4GB DVD+R of MP3s and MY2004 E500 Comand unit read it and played just like a CDR.
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Originally Posted by jcat
began reading but not really willing to sift through 11 pages of arguing...can someone please just clarify if the MP3 on DVD will play in the single-disc slot actually on the comand unit itself or would it need to be put into the nav drive in the trunk? Or can DVDs be used in the CD changer for that matter?
Will only play in COMAND unit - will not play in trunk. Trunk optical drive is for Navi and only Navi.

DVDs cannot be used in changers in 2003-2008 W211s - only CDs.
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Ditto. Just burned a 4GB DVD+R of MP3s and MY2004 E500 Comand unit read it and played just like a CDR.

aha, you answered my next question also. Which dvd type to use. I guess I'll pick up a pack of +R's and give it a go this weekend, at least then we can add 2006 to the list of tested model years.
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aha, you answered my next question also. Which dvd type to use. I guess I'll pick up a pack of +R's and give it a go this weekend, at least then we can add 2006 to the list of tested model years.
I usually use -R at home, but +R is what we had in the office. I usually don't have any issues using -R everywhere. Give it a go!
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Originally Posted by spinn
I usually use -R at home, but +R is what we had in the office. I usually don't have any issues using -R everywhere. Give it a go!
will do...also curious to try an RW, which would be tit since you could add and subtract tracks as you please
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I did try to access the secret menu, but was unsuccessful. The Comand came up with a read error when I tried a DVD movie.
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Originally Posted by spinn
I did try to access the secret menu, but was unsuccessful. The Comand came up with a read error when I tried a DVD movie.

if you read the first couple pages you'll see it's very well known that the US COMAND unit will not play DVD movies as it cannot decode them.
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Originally Posted by jcat
if you read the first couple pages you'll see it's very well known that the US COMAND unit will not play DVD movies as it cannot decode them.
I knew that...just verifying that it was a US Comand unit. If you read through the other pages, someone did verify that video could be played in some versions by accessing the secret menu and changing it to Euro specs. I bought the car in May and I'm like the 4th owner, so I wasn't sure what's in there. Figured it didn't hurt to check.
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Originally Posted by spinn
I knew that...just verifying that it was a US Comand unit. If you read through the other pages, someone did verify that video could be played in some versions by accessing the secret menu and changing it to Euro specs. I bought the car in May and I'm like the 4th owner, so I wasn't sure what's in there. Figured it didn't hurt to check.
Will only work with the very first revision of NTG1 COMAND. Buddy of mine works for Harman and he told me the first revision of NTG1 COMAND were 100% identical for US and ECE. That's why one can simply change a US COMAND to a ECE COMAND and watch DVD. MB changed the functional specifications and with revision 2 of NTG1 COMAND software and/or hardware components have changed. Not even if one would replace the firmware it would be possible to watch DVDs then (this information is also from him).
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Originally Posted by Mackhack
Will only work with the very first revision of NTG1 COMAND. Buddy of mine works for Harman and he told me the first revision of NTG1 COMAND were 100% identical for US and ECE. That's why one can simply change a US COMAND to a ECE COMAND and watch DVD. MB changed the functional specifications and with revision 2 of NTG1 COMAND software and/or hardware components have changed. Not even if one would replace the firmware it would be possible to watch DVDs then (this information is also from him).

How can find out if my comand is NTG1 or not (I mean watching DVD?
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You have an NTG1 in your 2004 E-Class.
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You mean it can read DVD's?

I've tried nothing worth
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Originally Posted by samo1
You mean it can read DVD's?

I've tried nothing worth
I didn't say that. You asked if you have a NTG1. I said you have one. If you have a US NTG1 then most likely not. The first revision has been put in W211's in 2002 and some the first of 2003.
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Is it possible, to check, if the comand has DVD drive or not (like in Engineering menu)?
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Originally Posted by samo1
Is it possible, to check, if the comand has DVD drive or not (like in Engineering menu)?
IIRC, when in Nav mode, push and hold Nav and 5 at the same time, and that might get you engineering mode.

YOU DO SO AT YOUR SOLE RISK.
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Originally Posted by murman
IIRC, when in Nav mode, push and hold Nav and 5 at the same time, and that might get you engineering mode.

YOU DO SO AT YOUR SOLE RISK.
This is not the Engineering Menu. This is the service menu of the navigation system.
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Originally Posted by Mackhack
This is not the Engineering Menu. This is the service menu of the navigation system.

yeah, you're right.
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Originally Posted by Mackhack
This is not the Engineering Menu. This is the service menu of the navigation system.
how do you get to engineering mode then on the w211 US COMAND?


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