Ben'z

Hi,

I saw a E320 CDI in Irvine, CA, with California license plate.
I asked the owner is that CDI avaiable in California now.
He answered me "not yet, but if you meet the requirment, you can get it".
He was so busy, and didn't let me ask the requirement.

Anyone knows?

Ben

Dan Wang

You can get the CDI from another state if it has over 7500 miles on it.

MB Fanatic

Well the car has to have more than 7K miles on it, and you have to register it in a different state like Arizona or Texas.

Ben'z

I see....

I thought he has special way.....

BudC

I don't think this is correct. If the car has 7,500 miles on it you can register it in California. If you go to MBUSA and do a search on the Starmark inventories in California, you will find there are California dealerships selling them.

There are currently two for sale in San Diego and two in Fremont.

Of course if you have more than one residence, you could register it out of state.

DWP

Hypothetically, of course.

http://ccr.oal.ca.gov/cgi-bin/om_isa...age=Document42

shoes

A diesel car can be sold and registered in California if it has more than 7500 miles on it. Dealers here are buying diesels at auction with 7500 miles or more on them and selling them legally. Below is from the CA DMV:

"California law prohibits importing and/or registering a new vehicle (one with less than 7,500 miles at the time of purchase) unless it meets or is exempt from California emission standards. If you acquire a 49 state vehicle (vehicle manufactured for all states except California) from another state or country and do not qualify for one of the exemptions, you cannot register your vehicle and must immediately remove it from this state. You may purchase a One-Trip Permit to do so.

Reference: Health & Safety Code Section 43151(A)"

Ben'z

Do you think CDI will pass the smoke check?

shoes

There is no emissions test for the diesel in CA. They already know it won't pass, which is why they cannot sell new ones. I am not sure why they left the loophole for selling used ones.

SAguirre

I know this is not California, but we sure have emissions test here. All test on vehicles newer than 1982 have to be on a dynamometer and hit 60 MPH. They put the car through he ringer. The difference is that gasoline engines only have to do it once every two years (brand new cars have a 3 year grace period). Diesels only have a 2 year grace period when they are new and the have to do it every year after that. The stupid test costs at least $55.00 and there are fewer and fewer places that test diesels on a dyno for 4x4 trucks and all wheel drive cars.

In Germany, the diesel emission test (at the time) was to put the car on the sniffer and floor the engine in neutral! Then the governor would kick in. It was torture to see them floor the crap out of my car IN NEUTRAL! I hope they stopped that by now, but who knows. Any updates?

Steve A.

pa28pilot

I didn't realize it when I bought the E320 CDI, but diesels are entirely exempt from emissions inspections in Virginia. One more bonus for the oil burners.

Green E-300 DT

The diesels (Mercedes and VWs) are not legally for sale new in California
and in those four silly New England states that follow the C A R B lead.
We are talking about a 45 state vehicle.

See sections (b) and (c) of that 43151 code. It is available online.

The trick words are used vs new. Used according to the California DMV is 7,500 miles.

One cannot go out of state and buy a new prohibited vehicle and
put 7,500 miles on it and then try to register it here in California.
That won't wash, and the DMV won't even allow you to sell it to anyone else here for registeration in California.
You will to forced to remove it from California.
Should you make that mistake and attempt to register one that you purchased and registered out-of-state in your own name, that VIN will be blacklisted by the DMV and it will never be allowed to be register here, period.
You are not allowed to sell a prohibited vehicle to yourself.

What was mentioned above about MBZ dealers fetching them
into California with the required 7,500 miles is true indeed.
One dealer up North has sold a least four examples at more than MSRP.

Another dealer in San Diego has sold at least one, and has two
others in stock, one of which I've had my eye on for months.
This car is a rather rare example with an unusual option, the Panarama roof.

A dealer in Littleton Colorado had it listed for months,
but it only had a little over 6,100 miles at that time.
All of a sudden it is in California with the required 7,500 miles!
I guess the dealers are allowed to buy them and bring them into California
even if they don't have 7,500 miles at the time they purchase them?
That cars' price is $56,900 in San Diego, but at one time it was listed
on the AutoTrader for $3K less in Colorado, and it didn't sell!
I'd be down in San Diego and looking at it except I don't have $62K.
I've drove one over in Lost Wages, and they are something else indeed!

There are two loopholes outlined in those two other sections mentioned above.
I think we'll be seeing more and more examples registered here as time passes.

Had several high speed blasts with a 2004 Golf TDI locally the other evening.
He could stay with me from about 60 to over 100 mph!
Another example of a prohited vehicle being brought in using the perfectly legal DMV loopholes.
The dealers are also importing the terribly expensive Touaregs to California also.

Wish I had the money for the one in San Diego!

AMGFREAK

I have my CDI here in California, I bought it NEW out of state of course. Just one of the pluses of having an out of state address. I drove it straight to CA. There are ways to get around it. And if I get pulled over? Like the Highway Patrol or what ever officer is gonna know its a DIESEL it so damn quite!!!

northbenz

Does the above quoted regulation mean that to visit California a new diesel owner (with his vehicle registered in another state) has to get a "one trip" pass and exit the state in some limited time period? Does Mickey Mouse know about this - I would think the tourist industry in California would be up in arms if such restraints on travel are being enforced.

Ben'z

Green, or someone interested,

I saw this new CDI on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

Good luck!
Ben

Green E-300 DT

You're fine as long as you are a visitor or tourist in California and have an out-
of-state drivers' license to go along with those out-of-state license plates.

Where residents of California get into trouble is when they are caught driving one of those "prohibited"
vehicles with out-of-state plates and show the officer a California drivers' license.
Having such a license means that you are a California resident and therefore are in violation of code 43151 (a). That's where they'll getsya!

Green E-300 DT

If you are stopped with out-of-state license plates and the vehicle is registered to you, and you show
a California drivers' license, they have got you for not having that vehicle registered in California.
If you have a California drivers' license, you are considered to be a California
resident and therefore must have your vehicle registered here! It's the law.
I know because I've had that happen to me.

It doesn't matter whether it is a prohibited vehicle or not.
The officer will write you for that violation, and the courts will require
proof of proper registration here, and then what are you going to do?
People in Sacramento review these types of tickets don't you know?
Whatever they say overrules any court judges' rulling!

cdiken

In the CDI brochure there is a picture of a Brilliant Silver CDI on WALL ST!

Ironic...

Anyways, note to self, don't inhabit cesspool states like California or New York.

They screw you on this, chances are they'll screw you on that.

KB

AMGFREAK

My plan is to just be a good driver in CA since I have a CA drivers license and a car that is registered in OR. When it hits 7500 miles I will transfer it from my personal name to my business and the car will have a dealer plate put on it. Once a CA dealer plate is placed on the car it becomes inventory and I will pay no license or have to deal with DMV at all period. I can drive the car with no worries. I have this all figured out. Most people dont have a dealers license, or dealer plates to put on a type of car like this that does not meet CA regulations. Just one of the perks of having your dealers license.

Messerchmidt

go to www.tdiclub.com and read about the ways people get TDIs into CA new from dealerships out of state.

if your 100$ car gets driven(or towed) to arizona and suffers a massive failure (aka engine running without oil) right outside the MB dealership and they varify this, they can put you into a brand new CDI and send you home excempt from the rules.

or get someone who turns milleage back to turn it up to 7500miles, register it, then get them to turn it back to what it should be.

mbr129

Out of curiosity... could one order a CDI for European Delivery from a CA (or MA, NY, etc) dealer and drive it 8K miles WHILE IN EUROPE and just register it when it gets to the US?

I mean, it WOULD have more than 7500 miles.

Green E-300 DT

I don't know for sure, but perhaps . .

The California DMV rules say something to the effect that you cannot register any
new prohibited vehicle that has already been registered to you out-of state.

In other words, you cannot sell any illegal or prohibited new vehicle to yourself.
This is where some individauls have been tripped up, and forced to
dispose of their own now used prohibited vehicle out-of-state.
There again, you must not have bought it with less than the figure that the CA DMV
uses to determine whether or not the vehicle is new or used which is 7,500 miles.
Whoa beit to the person that tries to bring one into California that was originally registered
in their own name out-of-state with less than the required minumum of 7,500 miles.

Your local DMV may have different rules regarding new versus used.

I understand that when one goes abroad and the vehicle is delivered via the ED
program, they are given a Manufactures Certificate of Origin or MCO.
It's been far too long for me to remember what one of those documents looks like, but if it doesn't have your
name on it, and I don't think it will, why couldn't you say that you bought the car from another person?

I know of a local MBZ salesman that seems to know his stuff about the ED program, and he said
he could order and sell me one but he was thinking that I would be registering it out-of-state.

Any MBZ dealership can order and sell you one for ED, and then you can have it shipped to any dealer you
choose after you've picked it up for your vacation, and turned it in to the shipper for transport here.

I'll supply his name and number if you email me privately.

Nevada Jack

If he bought the car from someone else, he would not have the MCO. That is used by the dealer to register the car (or in the case of ED, the owner) and it is no longer used in transfers of ownership as I understand it. The title becomes the paper of record. I had one CA dealer say that he did not think he could order a CDI wagon (if such were available) for me for delivery in Nevada???

Green E-300 DT

Several years ago, when I was younger and stupider, I went over
to AZ and bought a new Impala SS and had it shipped to CA.
The car was sold to me by a AZ Chevrolet dealer, and I asked for and got a MCO.
I used that MCO to register the car in OR. I drove it there but was told
that I didn't need to have the car with me because I had that MCO.
I can still hear the DMV official when he said: "Because you didn't buy it here and have
that MCO, I'll have to charge you an extra $12. That'll be $42 please sir."
I almost fell over, as that was for two years registration and title which would
have been several hundred dollars here in CA. No sales tax in OR either.

I understand that when you have ED, they give you a MCO at the time of delivery.
If your name is not on that document and you go to register the vehicle and it has
over 7,500 miles on the odometer, isn't it then considered to be a used vehicle?
I suppose they would then ask who was the original purchaser. You can't win.

mbr129

I did ED on my '03 330i and it did have my name on it (MCO/title). In fact, I had a wierd situation because my vehicle was delivered to Washington DC (I got a great deal), so I wanted to get the plates, go down there, put them on, and drive it back.

The woman at the registry would not let me resgister it because the title/MCO had not been "signed over by the dealer." I was able to make her understand that typically, the first "owner" on the title/MCO is the dealer who then signs it over to the customer when he/she purchases it. But being ED, and that I "took ownership" of it in europe so it could be insured and driven, MY name was the first name on the title/MCO, and therefore it would be illegal, nevermind stupid, for the dealer to sign the title over to me, since they where nowhere on the title/MCO.

It got ridiculous because she would not believe me (I was 24). I had to leave for a few mintues, come back and tell her my lawer told me so (yup I lied). Only then did she give me my plates.

ANYHOW, that is how BMW does it, they put the customer's name on the title/MCO. As if it had been bought factory-direct. It seems pretty obvious then that with a BMW, it would not work.

But, if MB does put the name of the dealer first, and that dealer is out-of- state, if one puts 7500+ miles in europe, then it would work.