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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 12:34 PM
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I knew what I was getting into when I ordered the Bluetec. Guess I am still on my honeymoon because I still really love this car. Best benz I have owned and I go back to the 240D days. There is so much more technolgy in this when you think back to the 240D that could not get up a hill.But all the improvements come with a cost. You are willing or not to pay that tab, and you should make that decision before you purchase. I did, and I feel fine with my decsion and my car.
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by btrepper
I knew what I was getting into when I ordered the Bluetec. Guess I am still on my honeymoon because I still really love this car. Best benz I have owned and I go back to the 240D days. There is so much more technolgy in this when you think back to the 240D that could not get up a hill.But all the improvements come with a cost. You are willing or not to pay that tab, and you should make that decision before you purchase. I did, and I feel fine with my decsion and my car.
Enjoy your ride! Honeymoon aside, the E350 Bluetec is definitely a fine machine and the engine combination performs as well as a V8 in town. However, the 240D was a much simplier vehicle when it came to the fuel system. The AdBlue system has to be treated with respect with regard to contamination and maintainance. I'm not sure if the runflats are an issue or not. They are not all that common for tire stores (need to be ordered) and you lose the spare tire (from the AdBlue system tank) and all of the tire changing equipment that normally comes with the regular fueled cars. I have seen numerous comments about the lack of repairability and the 50 mile range when "flat".

As I previously posted, I weighed the pros and cons and finally decided to forgo the better fuel economy for a more predictable maintainance scenario.

It's also interesting to note that the E350 Bluetec in Canada does not use runflat tires. I wonder why.

YMMV
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 02:52 PM
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DEF = adblue

Thanks for the tip on DEF - did not realize they were the same thing. If they both meet the same standards I am not shy about saving the money ($26 vs $180).

For me the cash price is one thing, and operating costs another. I am willing to spend cash up front for a nicer car that is cheaper to operate, and diesels usually fall into that category. And I'm still pretty high on the notion of getting 400 ft-lbs of torque out of the lighter 3 litre engine.
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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maybe too many pot holes??
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gvseostud
Thanks for the tip on DEF - did not realize they were the same thing. If they both meet the same standards I am not shy about saving the money ($26 vs $180).

For me the cash price is one thing, and operating costs another. I am willing to spend cash up front for a nicer car that is cheaper to operate, and diesels usually fall into that category. And I'm still pretty high on the notion of getting 400 ft-lbs of torque out of the lighter 3 litre engine.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the E350 Bluetec is HEAVIER than the E550. Specification curb weights are as follows:

E350 Bluetec 4059 lbs
E550 4034 lbs
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by btrepper
maybe too many pot holes??
No idea, but Canada also gets the 5 spoke AMG wheels (non-staggered) and the Tire inflator kit (with sealant system).

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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 08:56 PM
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25lbs is nothing.... with 400 ft. lbs of torque...
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gvseostud
And I'm still pretty high on the notion of getting 400 ft-lbs of torque out of the lighter 3 litre engine.
I was replying to the comment made that the 3 liter diesel engine was lighter than the E550 with the airmatic suspension and the V8 included in the comparison. Of course, 25 lbs is insignificant on a two ton vehicle.

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Old Oct 9, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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BUT holding up their customers so they can make a few bucks on Urea is a technology killer. $180 in Urea every 10K miles is a non-starter. I told them to price Urea at $50 per 10K service or no deal. They told me "go pound sand." We will see who has the last laugh.
Just FYI...and note that there'll be slight differences with MBs...I've researched the DEF issue thoroughly.My "d" takes about 6 gallons of DEF and is supposed to go 12k miles plus with those 6 gallons.A VW dealership near me sold me a 1/2 gallon bottles of DEF *with* the special spout required for our cars (BMW and MB having the same filler "port") for $8.They also sell a 2.5 gallon jug for $13.I know that actually filling the tank is easy because I tried it...just to see how difficult it is.

So for *my* car,at least,it will cost me about $30 (and about 10 minutes of my time) to refill the tank every year or so.IMO,unless they'll do it for free under a full maintenence plan,you'd be crazy to let the dealer charge you $200+ to refill the tank.

And BTW...in case you're unfamiliar with current diesels (BMW,MB,etc).... once you've experienced the torque they provide you'll never go back.Guaranteed!

Just my $0.02 worth....
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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It's also interesting to note that the E350 Bluetec in Canada does not use runflat tires. I wonder why.
No run-flats on Canadian MBs (except the GL with 20s) because feedback on run-flats has been highly negative. From the stiff sidewalls and excessive cost of replacement to the cost of installing run-flat winter tires, they're a huge pain in the butt.

Originally Posted by HBerman
No idea, but Canada also gets the 5 spoke AMG wheels (non-staggered) and the Tire inflator kit (with sealant system).
The non-staggered are to make winter switchovers easier (can rotate front-to-rear, etc) and to maintain consistency across the entire E-Class sedan range (except E63 obviously). The tire inflator kit is necessary because run-flats are not installed and there is no spare tire (due to the AdBlue tank).

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 08:35 PM
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The wheel design doesn't look like the AMG split 5 spoke. What are they?
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 08:56 PM
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The wheel design doesn't look like the AMG split 5 spoke. What are they?
The AMG twin 5-spoke wheels (code 791) are optional. This car has the standard 18" 5-spoke wheels.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by YYZ-E55
The AMG twin 5-spoke wheels (code 791) are optional. This car has the standard 18" 5-spoke wheels.
Ah, I forgot about that. It's nice to have the 18" wheels and no run-flats. I would have purchased the E350 Bluetec in the US if that had been the specification.
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Old Nov 11, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Is MB rationing E350 Bluetechs in the San Diego area?Thanks
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by HBerman
I was replying to the comment made that the 3 liter diesel engine was lighter than the E550 with the airmatic suspension and the V8 included in the comparison. Of course, 25 lbs is insignificant on a two ton vehicle.

YMMV
Is it worth it to upgrade the engine with a chiptuning?
the dealer offers for 600 EURO a +30 BHP tuning, and also extra in torque.
on the internet i found a tuner to 250 Euro, with more BHP and easy install.
Another dealer said it would damage the warranty.
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 06:20 AM
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tires why use bigger

I see that many want the widest tires as possible..
When you talk about getting bigger tires, is it only for the beauty or for the safety.
They are more expensive to change and the consumption/ pollution gets worse. no?
I would prefer the 16 inch instead of 18 inch, but here I can see that the forum has another opinion.
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Old Feb 5, 2011 | 11:03 AM
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The MB container to fill the tank comes in a 1/2 Gallon Bottle / Part Number A0005830107 Current LIST: $9.00. The E-350 needs 6.5 gallons of the stuff according to the specs so you need 13 bottles @ $117 / 10K miles. Every 20K miles you must evacuate the tank to flush out crystals that may have formed. I believe that the labor charge is 1 hour to do that in addition.
I find that I use about 2 gallons of AdBlue every 5000 miles. I pay about $18 for 2.5 gallons of AdBlue. The cost of AdBlue is minimal for all of the benefits.
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