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First Mercedes... VERY impressed - 2010 E350
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As I promised S220, I went to the showroom in Berlin to check out the E63 I'd seen the other day. It had Alcantara, the seats were in AMG nappa leather in fact were even the dashboard. It had what we call the AMG Exclusive package for $6.000.
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Here are also some pics from regular W/S212:s. Showing the dash covered in Artico Leather/MB-Tex. And one car with aluminum panels. Also showing the black leather with white stitches you get with the AMG-package. Unfortunately I won't get the white stitching since I ordered multi contour seats... 
It would have been a nice touch with the white exterior.
It would have been a nice touch with the white exterior.
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Thanks for the pics, ipp. 
At least in the ROW it looks like these are now options. Maybe they will be available here(?) So far there's no indication of that.
But the bottom line is that there was certainly cost cutting going on to be able to reduce the MSRP. At least here in the US. So if one wants what was standard just last year, then one will have to pay extra. And so the MSRP price reduction doesn't mean that much.
Did the MSRP also get reduced in the ROW? Or was it just in the North American market? ipp, is the price structure now less in Sweden than it was last year?
It'll be interesting what will happen to the price when the motors get upgraded next year. Will the MSRP rise in reflection of that? (and maybe with a better economy, too?) This current reduction of MSRP could be short lived simply as an intro to the W212, etc..
At least in the ROW it looks like these are now options. Maybe they will be available here(?) So far there's no indication of that.
But the bottom line is that there was certainly cost cutting going on to be able to reduce the MSRP. At least here in the US. So if one wants what was standard just last year, then one will have to pay extra. And so the MSRP price reduction doesn't mean that much.
Did the MSRP also get reduced in the ROW? Or was it just in the North American market? ipp, is the price structure now less in Sweden than it was last year?
It'll be interesting what will happen to the price when the motors get upgraded next year. Will the MSRP rise in reflection of that? (and maybe with a better economy, too?) This current reduction of MSRP could be short lived simply as an intro to the W212, etc..
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If an option is offered in a car somewhere can't you pretty much get it via a special order? I've heard of getting a heated steering wheel, for instance, even though it doesn't show up on the options list for the US. I've never done this myself, though. What are the limits on special orders?
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Wow, nice to see Europe still isn't messing around (at least with the available options). I haven't seen a Leather wrapped dash on an E-Class before. In the U.S, even AMG buyers are stuck with the hard, plasticized interior in the 212.
In the U.S, even AMG buyers are stuck with the hard, plasticized interior in the 212.
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Hi folks,
Well the title says it all. I picked up a 2010 MB E350 last week and wow am I impressed. Long time BMW M series owner I wanted to get my wife some of the creature comforts she likes. After test driving various brands we ultimately selected the E350. It's just absolutely beautiful to look at.
It's fully loaded based on the dealer comments and referencing against the other E350's they had on the lot. Here's the options list:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Accessory Styling Package (Read Deck and Roof Spoiler)
PARKTRONIC with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Rear Side Airbags
Panorama Sunroof
Drive Dynamic Multicontour Driver Seat w/ Massage
P2 Premium Package
Sport Package
Driver Assistance Package
It'll be interesting to see how she holds up with all of the electronics (something I'm somewhat concerned with). However the car has been a pleasure to drive. Ask the wife; she won't let me borrow the keys!
Here's the proverbial pictures:
I love the P2 package front... Distronic panel in grill
Panorama roof
Triangle is the blind spot indicator
Comfort seats
Wife displaying her school pride!
Regards all, Mac
Well the title says it all. I picked up a 2010 MB E350 last week and wow am I impressed. Long time BMW M series owner I wanted to get my wife some of the creature comforts she likes. After test driving various brands we ultimately selected the E350. It's just absolutely beautiful to look at.
It's fully loaded based on the dealer comments and referencing against the other E350's they had on the lot. Here's the options list:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Accessory Styling Package (Read Deck and Roof Spoiler)
PARKTRONIC with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Rear Side Airbags
Panorama Sunroof
Drive Dynamic Multicontour Driver Seat w/ Massage
P2 Premium Package
Sport Package
Driver Assistance Package
It'll be interesting to see how she holds up with all of the electronics (something I'm somewhat concerned with). However the car has been a pleasure to drive. Ask the wife; she won't let me borrow the keys!
Here's the proverbial pictures:
I love the P2 package front... Distronic panel in grill
Panorama roof
Triangle is the blind spot indicator
Comfort seats
Wife displaying her school pride!
Regards all, Mac
with a new E550 I bought for my wife. The car has the following:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Rear Deck & Roof Spoiler
Parktronic with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Pano
Dynamic Seats w/Massage Driver side
P2
Sport Package (5 spoke Wheels)
Driver Assistance Package
We ordered the car last year (September on her Birthday) and finally got it today. My wife drove it home from the dealer while I played with the Command. It's much better than my 2008 S65. Like the iPod interface and the Navigation with Highway and more info. Amazing what 2 years does regarding technology with MB. I'm jealous already with the new gadgets etc.
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Thanks for the pics, ipp.
At least in the ROW it looks like these are now options. Maybe they will be available here(?) So far there's no indication of that.
But the bottom line is that there was certainly cost cutting going on to be able to reduce the MSRP. At least here in the US. So if one wants what was standard just last year, then one will have to pay extra. And so the MSRP price reduction doesn't mean that much.
Did the MSRP also get reduced in the ROW? Or was it just in the North American market? ipp, is the price structure now less in Sweden than it was last year?
It'll be interesting what will happen to the price when the motors get upgraded next year. Will the MSRP rise in reflection of that? (and maybe with a better economy, too?) This current reduction of MSRP could be short lived simply as an intro to the W212, etc..
At least in the ROW it looks like these are now options. Maybe they will be available here(?) So far there's no indication of that.
But the bottom line is that there was certainly cost cutting going on to be able to reduce the MSRP. At least here in the US. So if one wants what was standard just last year, then one will have to pay extra. And so the MSRP price reduction doesn't mean that much.
Did the MSRP also get reduced in the ROW? Or was it just in the North American market? ipp, is the price structure now less in Sweden than it was last year?
It'll be interesting what will happen to the price when the motors get upgraded next year. Will the MSRP rise in reflection of that? (and maybe with a better economy, too?) This current reduction of MSRP could be short lived simply as an intro to the W212, etc..
I say that the ROW configs will transfer to us in America... it's just a matter of time.
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I bought my wife a 550 and took delivery last week. It is Identical in everyway.
with a new E550 I bought for my wife. The car has the following:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Rear Deck & Roof Spoiler
Parktronic with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Pano
Dynamic Seats w/Massage Driver side
P2
Sport Package (5 spoke Wheels)
Driver Assistance Package
We ordered the car last year (September on her Birthday) and finally got it today. My wife drove it home from the dealer while I played with the Command. It's much better than my 2008 S65. Like the iPod interface and the Navigation with Highway and more info. Amazing what 2 years does regarding technology with MB. I'm jealous already with the new gadgets etc.
with a new E550 I bought for my wife. The car has the following:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Rear Deck & Roof Spoiler
Parktronic with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Pano
Dynamic Seats w/Massage Driver side
P2
Sport Package (5 spoke Wheels)
Driver Assistance Package
We ordered the car last year (September on her Birthday) and finally got it today. My wife drove it home from the dealer while I played with the Command. It's much better than my 2008 S65. Like the iPod interface and the Navigation with Highway and more info. Amazing what 2 years does regarding technology with MB. I'm jealous already with the new gadgets etc.
I'm always on the lookout for new E cars around my roads. They are far and few in between...now.Congrats to you and your wife.
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Thanks she loves it. It was just so odd to see the identical car. I had to look in the garage to make sure her car was still there .Too weird
Your PICs are much better then mine. I used my phone camera and was in a bit of a hurry. But your PICS makes the car much nicer looking.
Enjoy...
Your PICs are much better then mine. I used my phone camera and was in a bit of a hurry. But your PICS makes the car much nicer looking.
Enjoy...
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Yes, normally what you say is the case (a 7 year life cycle) with new models. But this is not a new car. It's an E63 with the same motor since 2007. The MCT comes from the SL. Part of the chassis comes from the C Class. The rest of it is identical to the previous models. The difference is the body and interior design.
MB owners can see the differences with the cost cutting. It's there and clearly obvious.
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Last year a unequipped E320 CDI sedan was 455.900 ($64.400) and this year a E350 CDI is 471.900 ($66.600) it's the same engine, different name. So thats just 16.000 ($2.200) the price have gone up, and they have had added a little extra features as standard, such as bluetooth phone. So it's a small price jump to be a new model, but you can't say the price has gone down very much.
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However, the dash and doors in the first set (E63) do look better - very nice. Does suck for US E63 buyers that they don't get the same extras anymore. Considering how much the car costs even after the price reduction, I'd probably be a little disappointed.
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The interior materials (e.g., dash and door areas) aren't "smooth," but they're not really hard plasticized either. It's somewhere in between. I was never sure what material it was, but based on what ipp said I guess it's MB-Tex or leather. (My interior looks like what is in ipp's second picture set, except in tan.)
However, the dash and doors in the first set (E63) do look better - very nice. Does suck for US E63 buyers that they don't get the same extras anymore. Considering how much the car costs even after the price reduction, I'd probably be a little disappointed.
However, the dash and doors in the first set (E63) do look better - very nice. Does suck for US E63 buyers that they don't get the same extras anymore. Considering how much the car costs even after the price reduction, I'd probably be a little disappointed.
Maaybe, they're gonna bring this stuff back with the TT models? Although, now they'd probably charge for the luxuries the past AMG E's had standard.
I agree with you about the doors, not a complete hard plastic, like the door arm rests on my Chevy, but definitely harder and more, I'd say "rubbery" in a way, than my 211's.
I think the E63 probably has the same exact door material than the other E's actually?
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They no longer have the soft, plush-filled pleated and smooth Nappa leather area above the door's armrest found in the 2009 and previous models. It not only cushions my arm and elbow on long trips (it feels really great; nice and soft and squishy), but it was actually a MB hallmark until the W212 came along. Now it's just a non-functional fake copy of what it once was. Like a phony pair of Santoni shoes that you can't wear.
I guess the MBAs in the suits over at the Daimler AG accounting department are giddy with their new scorched earth policy. Hey, it keeps the shareholders happy I suppose.
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Hi folks,
Well the title says it all. I picked up a 2010 MB E350 last week and wow am I impressed. Long time BMW M series owner I wanted to get my wife some of the creature comforts she likes. After test driving various brands we ultimately selected the E350. It's just absolutely beautiful to look at.
It's fully loaded based on the dealer comments and referencing against the other E350's they had on the lot. Here's the options list:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Accessory Styling Package (Read Deck and Roof Spoiler)
PARKTRONIC with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Rear Side Airbags
Panorama Sunroof
Drive Dynamic Multicontour Driver Seat w/ Massage
P2 Premium Package
Sport Package
Driver Assistance Package
It'll be interesting to see how she holds up with all of the electronics (something I'm somewhat concerned with). However the car has been a pleasure to drive. Ask the wife; she won't let me borrow the keys!
Here's the proverbial pictures:
I love the P2 package front... Distronic panel in grill
Panorama roof
Triangle is the blind spot indicator
Comfort seats
Wife displaying her school pride!
Regards all, Mac
Well the title says it all. I picked up a 2010 MB E350 last week and wow am I impressed. Long time BMW M series owner I wanted to get my wife some of the creature comforts she likes. After test driving various brands we ultimately selected the E350. It's just absolutely beautiful to look at.
It's fully loaded based on the dealer comments and referencing against the other E350's they had on the lot. Here's the options list:
Palladium Silver
Natural Beige Leather
Black Ash Wood
Accessory Styling Package (Read Deck and Roof Spoiler)
PARKTRONIC with Parking Guidance
Split Folding Rear Seats
Rear Side Airbags
Panorama Sunroof
Drive Dynamic Multicontour Driver Seat w/ Massage
P2 Premium Package
Sport Package
Driver Assistance Package
It'll be interesting to see how she holds up with all of the electronics (something I'm somewhat concerned with). However the car has been a pleasure to drive. Ask the wife; she won't let me borrow the keys!
Here's the proverbial pictures:
I love the P2 package front... Distronic panel in grill
Panorama roof
Triangle is the blind spot indicator
Comfort seats
Wife displaying her school pride!
Regards all, Mac
I'm hoping to read a full review about it soon from your spouse. And I'm hoping that you'll compare the handling capabilities of the new car with your BMW.
But first, Break in time.
Private message me if you ever do a review or a comparison. I wouldn't want to miss it!
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Yeah, that's right. It does.
They no longer have the soft, plush-filled pleated and smooth Nappa leather area above the door's armrest found in the 2009 and previous models. It not only cushions my arm and elbow on long trips (it feels really great; nice and soft and squishy), but it was actually a MB hallmark until the W212 came along. Now it's just a non-functional fake copy of what it once was. Like a phony pair of Santoni shoes that you can't wear.
I guess the MBAs in the suits over at the Daimler AG accounting department are giddy with their new scorched earth policy. Hey, it keeps the shareholders happy I suppose.
They no longer have the soft, plush-filled pleated and smooth Nappa leather area above the door's armrest found in the 2009 and previous models. It not only cushions my arm and elbow on long trips (it feels really great; nice and soft and squishy), but it was actually a MB hallmark until the W212 came along. Now it's just a non-functional fake copy of what it once was. Like a phony pair of Santoni shoes that you can't wear.
I guess the MBAs in the suits over at the Daimler AG accounting department are giddy with their new scorched earth policy. Hey, it keeps the shareholders happy I suppose.
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Although I did not face any of those bubbles even if several W211 owners complain about the issue.I assume the basic options in the US have approached those of the Euro cars, leather at different parts of the interior needs better options for the car, more than previously?
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Perhaps the new material is to keep the W211 bubbles stay away? Although I did not face any of those bubbles even if several W211 owners complain about the issue.
I assume the basic options in the US have approached those of the Euro cars, leather at different parts of the interior needs better options for the car, more than previously?
Although I did not face any of those bubbles even if several W211 owners complain about the issue.I assume the basic options in the US have approached those of the Euro cars, leather at different parts of the interior needs better options for the car, more than previously?
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fwiw, I bought my 2009 E63 new in May of 2009. When the W212 was available (and the E63 was to arrive in September.) And I was in no hurry to buy a car (I have more than one.) I specifically wanted a W211 E63 and so I bought one. I could have easily bought a W212 E63
There's no envy at all. Sorry. Oh, and I drive a "dated" Porsche, too. Why? Because it was hand built (not assembly line built) and the body style is, um, dated (in your words.) The last of the air cooled wide bodies. A "dated" body style that is so sought after, it has held its resale value way above normal.
Some of us are actual car enthusiasts and don't buy cars just to have the latest thing on the block. It's meaningless to a real car enthusiast; we buy the car we want, whether it's 15 years old or brand new.
Same reason why a E46 is desired by some over a E60, for example. I don't know of a single enthusiast who would be "embarrassed" driving a E46 M5 over the E60.
Cheers.
As K-A points out, I was talking about the door, not the center console, which was replaced by the roll top anyway, so that is all moot.
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Wrong. It's not envy, it's disappointment. A disappointment in the cost cutting MB is doing. Some of us happen to interested and knowledgeable in MB (its history of manufacturing, innovation, and racing pedigree) beyond just driving one. Saying it's envy is a common retort by someone who doesn't know what else to say due to naivete.
fwiw, I bought my 2009 E63 new in May of 2009. When the W212 was available (and the E63 was to arrive in September.) And I was in no hurry to buy a car (I have more than one.) I specifically wanted a W211 E63 and so I bought one. I could have easily bought a W212 E63
There's no envy at all. Sorry. Oh, and I drive a "dated" Porsche, too. Why? Because it was hand built (not assembly line built) and the body style is, um, dated (in your words.) The last of the air cooled wide bodies. A "dated" body style that is so sought after, it has held its resale value way above normal.
Some of us are actual car enthusiasts and don't buy cars just to have the latest thing on the block. It's meaningless to a real car enthusiast; we buy the car we want, whether it's 15 years old or brand new.
Cheers.
fwiw, I bought my 2009 E63 new in May of 2009. When the W212 was available (and the E63 was to arrive in September.) And I was in no hurry to buy a car (I have more than one.) I specifically wanted a W211 E63 and so I bought one. I could have easily bought a W212 E63
There's no envy at all. Sorry. Oh, and I drive a "dated" Porsche, too. Why? Because it was hand built (not assembly line built) and the body style is, um, dated (in your words.) The last of the air cooled wide bodies. A "dated" body style that is so sought after, it has held its resale value way above normal.
Some of us are actual car enthusiasts and don't buy cars just to have the latest thing on the block. It's meaningless to a real car enthusiast; we buy the car we want, whether it's 15 years old or brand new.
Cheers.
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Ahh, the old "212 envy" thing. Very constructive and factual. Whatever makes you feel better about your purchase.
I happen to like the 211's CLASSIC styling.
I happen to like the 211's CLASSIC styling.
