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GOD are you serious?
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GOD are you serious?
Heads:
doing some research on brake jobs for me car and future amg,
what I got was shocking: wanted to share:this was a reply from my SA,
A full set front & rear, pads & rotors for the vehicle set up you have now would be $1196.00 (that is parts, tax, and labor).
For an AMG set up -- are you ready for this?? -- $14,037.00 !!! No, I'm not kidding!! It shocked me too.
Who can help me understand the logic behind the AMG brake costs?
If that is the case, I don't think I'll be buying that friggin' thing......
any input is taken in.....
doing some research on brake jobs for me car and future amg,
what I got was shocking: wanted to share:this was a reply from my SA,
A full set front & rear, pads & rotors for the vehicle set up you have now would be $1196.00 (that is parts, tax, and labor).
For an AMG set up -- are you ready for this?? -- $14,037.00 !!! No, I'm not kidding!! It shocked me too.
Who can help me understand the logic behind the AMG brake costs?
If that is the case, I don't think I'll be buying that friggin' thing......
any input is taken in.....
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Well:
true enough, the brake job, for the E63(when you get the 10K perfromance upgrade) will cost
14K at a dealer.......INSANE!!!!!!!!! That's more than the friggin' upgrade!!
Quoted at 2400 if it's just a 'regular' AMG.....
and yes, just like WWMIndy said.... carbon ceramic is (part of) the reason....
still, the quote I got for MY car was 1196.00..(for all brakes and rotors)....still quite high.....and that's if I did need rotors, and seriously......do you think they'd let me out of there without new rotors too?LOL
I'll tell ya, I will have all those old parts in my trunk when I leave that day, LOL....
true enough, the brake job, for the E63(when you get the 10K perfromance upgrade) will cost
14K at a dealer.......INSANE!!!!!!!!! That's more than the friggin' upgrade!!
Quoted at 2400 if it's just a 'regular' AMG.....
and yes, just like WWMIndy said.... carbon ceramic is (part of) the reason....
still, the quote I got for MY car was 1196.00..(for all brakes and rotors)....still quite high.....and that's if I did need rotors, and seriously......do you think they'd let me out of there without new rotors too?LOL
I'll tell ya, I will have all those old parts in my trunk when I leave that day, LOL....
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The front brakes for the AMG runs close to $3k at the dealer for the front rotors and pads. You'll need front brakes long before you need the rear axle done.
The cast iron rotors of the AMG are 360mm and are a two-piece construction. The hats are aluminum to help with unsprung weight. The calipers are 6 pot.
The ceramic brake option is obviously more expensive to replace, but they also last a lot longer (and with less fade, less brake dust, and less weight.) Ask any Porsche owner who was PCCBs and they'll tell you it's a toss up between cost and performance, especially on a street car. If you track often, then ceramic is a worthwhile consideration.
Evosport sells quality aftermarket rotors for the E63. They also have aluminum hats and even weigh less. They are a bit less $$ then the OEMs. In addition, the vents are correct in that they are opposite in the L and the R rotors. The AMG OEM rotors don't differentiate between L and R and the vents face the same direction.
There are also dustless pads available although the OEM do have excellent bite. But they do dust a lot and also because of the drilled and slotted rotors. btw, you can order Evosport rotors as slotted only (it's argued that drilled can form cracks when highly heated which is why you rarely see drilled rotors in race prepped cars, they use slotted only rotors.)
AMG uses performance brakes on their cars. You have to expect then to be much more costly than on a standard Benz. Performance brakes are more expensive on any marque. Ask a Porsche owner how much PCCBs cost.
The cast iron rotors of the AMG are 360mm and are a two-piece construction. The hats are aluminum to help with unsprung weight. The calipers are 6 pot.
The ceramic brake option is obviously more expensive to replace, but they also last a lot longer (and with less fade, less brake dust, and less weight.) Ask any Porsche owner who was PCCBs and they'll tell you it's a toss up between cost and performance, especially on a street car. If you track often, then ceramic is a worthwhile consideration.
Evosport sells quality aftermarket rotors for the E63. They also have aluminum hats and even weigh less. They are a bit less $$ then the OEMs. In addition, the vents are correct in that they are opposite in the L and the R rotors. The AMG OEM rotors don't differentiate between L and R and the vents face the same direction.
There are also dustless pads available although the OEM do have excellent bite. But they do dust a lot and also because of the drilled and slotted rotors. btw, you can order Evosport rotors as slotted only (it's argued that drilled can form cracks when highly heated which is why you rarely see drilled rotors in race prepped cars, they use slotted only rotors.)
AMG uses performance brakes on their cars. You have to expect then to be much more costly than on a standard Benz. Performance brakes are more expensive on any marque. Ask a Porsche owner how much PCCBs cost.
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haha, I don't know any Porsche owners......hell, I don't even know any Mercedes Benz owners, LOL.......
maybe one'll post up.......
thanx for that information 220S
maybe one'll post up.......
thanx for that information 220S
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Why on earth would you go to the dealer to get breaks done? Buy some Akebono pads, A1 rotors and change yourself or have an a mechanic do it for a fraction of the cost. Akebono rock in terms of stopping power and virtually no break dust. I have them on my CLK and love them.
http://www.r1concepts.com/ call them as the website is not up to date for the new models
Honestly $14k for breaks is a gang rape unless there is quite a bit gold or platinum used with a few diamonds for visual effect
A friend payed $12k for a break job AND new clutch on a freaking Lamborghini Diablo
http://www.r1concepts.com/ call them as the website is not up to date for the new models
Honestly $14k for breaks is a gang rape unless there is quite a bit gold or platinum used with a few diamonds for visual effect
A friend payed $12k for a break job AND new clutch on a freaking Lamborghini Diablo
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it would be carbon ceramic from what I understand, making it more expensive....
and this is all just theroretical...........just giving numbers out that I got.......
thanx for the post Dariusf
and this is all just theroretical...........just giving numbers out that I got.......
thanx for the post Dariusf
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Hyperion, consider that a tire change on the Bugatti Veyron is almost $40K with only 9K mile life expectancy (normal driving) 20 minutes at 250 mph. Also, the special rims must be replaced every 3 tire changes at a cost of $100K+. Does that help make a 14K brake job more palatable?
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Hyperion, consider that a tire change on the Bugatti Veyron is almost $40K with only 9K mile life expectancy (normal driving) 20 minutes at 250 mph. Also, the special rims must be replaced every 3 tire changes at a cost of $100K+. Does that help make a 14K brake job more palatable?
Ever watch that clown on Utube drive his Veyron into a lake?
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So in other words, if someone offers you a Veyron for free, run the other way! It's like feeding you hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. 
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haha, I MUST see that video!
it's funny because I was just telling a freind about the new car coming to the states with over 1000 HP....and of course he mentinoed the Bugatti..........
wow, those are insane prices.............
people are nuts
it's funny because I was just telling a freind about the new car coming to the states with over 1000 HP....and of course he mentinoed the Bugatti..........
wow, those are insane prices.............
people are nuts
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I'll need brakes and rotors on my 06 S55 AMG soon at about 50k miles and was quoted about $3500.00 from MB of Annapolis with the parts comprising about two-thirds of that total, and that's for a stock S55.
I have the extended warranty that expires in 2012 and believe using after-market components voids the warranty.
Don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish!
Ciao!
I have the extended warranty that expires in 2012 and believe using after-market components voids the warranty.
Don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish!
Ciao!
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Quote from Park Place Mercedes for 2005 SLR:
199-420-03-72 Brake Disc $22890.00 x2
004-420-47-20 Brake Pad $1600.00
199-420-04-72 Brake Disc $24,720.00 x2
004-420-98-20 Brake Pad $2280
211-540-17-17 Brake Pad Sensor $11.20
Makes the labor seem meaningless.... LoL
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199-420-03-72 Brake Disc $22890.00 x2
004-420-47-20 Brake Pad $1600.00
199-420-04-72 Brake Disc $24,720.00 x2
004-420-98-20 Brake Pad $2280
211-540-17-17 Brake Pad Sensor $11.20
Makes the labor seem meaningless.... LoL
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i'm new to the whole mess with my own car game, since moving to america i've started doing a lot of diy fixes on my cars and have found these forums to be a most valued asset, in fact the reason i found these forums was looking for information, i've worked on a w124 (which is my favorite) till i lost it, and am not messing with a diesel w210
i'd have to say go aftermarket and love your car yourself as it seems to be the logical choice if you're concerned with prices, even if you buy factory parts installing them yourself is going to save you a good deal in labor, most manfactors out source their parts anyways and enthusiast are always finding ways to bring new technology to streets
i'd think brembo which seems to be a more premium source for brakes probably parts for your car and they seems to be pretty good, plus unless you're really going to be raping your car every time you drive it you probably don't need to be spending that much for brakes anyways, and if you are you'll probably need a lot more then just brakes and might want to look into visiting a tuning house to get your car track ready
but then again there are numbers of people on here who do all that themselves too, you're on the right track for networking with people that love their rides, so keep the faith, look around and count your options before you commit to any which way of doing it
i'd have to say go aftermarket and love your car yourself as it seems to be the logical choice if you're concerned with prices, even if you buy factory parts installing them yourself is going to save you a good deal in labor, most manfactors out source their parts anyways and enthusiast are always finding ways to bring new technology to streets
i'd think brembo which seems to be a more premium source for brakes probably parts for your car and they seems to be pretty good, plus unless you're really going to be raping your car every time you drive it you probably don't need to be spending that much for brakes anyways, and if you are you'll probably need a lot more then just brakes and might want to look into visiting a tuning house to get your car track ready
but then again there are numbers of people on here who do all that themselves too, you're on the right track for networking with people that love their rides, so keep the faith, look around and count your options before you commit to any which way of doing it
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Seems like your dealer is adding a mark-up to the parts. For example 199-420-98-20 has a MSRP of $21,190.00 according to parts.com. FYI, parts.com will sell you the rotor for $17,796.
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Yep, brakes can really cost...
Here's the cool part: both Porsche and Mercedes brake systems are straight-forward and fairly easy to work on yourself. The Porsche clubs have tech sessions where you can get some expert help from other owners, and when I saw a petite young lady wheel her 911 onto a lift and then change her brake pads herself in about 30 minutes that convinced me there' s no reason to pay a Mercedes mechanic a really large sum of money to do something that easy.
So I tried replacing the MB's front and rear pads, and that was easy enough, and then next time I replaced the rotors with the Brembo ones. Probably took me 3 or 4 hours because it was something new to me, but really no problems.
Total costs: Porsche - new brakes front and rear, new stainless steel brake lines and total brake fluid replacement and pressure bleed: about $300.
Mercedes - new Brembo rotors and brakes plus total fluid replacements and pressure bleed: less than $500. Parts were mostly from Pelican parts or Performance Automotive, and are either OEM parts or upgrades.
Both cars stop better now than any car I've ever driven before, plus there's a fair degree of satisfaction of understanding the systems inside out.
As someone else said: "stay fast, my friends!"
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Thank you so much.
I have a 97 500sl129 and My wife does not understand the price of things today.
I am getting ready to do a brake job ( new Brembo ) and after reading your post I am positive she will see it as inexpensive.
I am getting ready to do a brake job ( new Brembo ) and after reading your post I am positive she will see it as inexpensive.
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great post flydad911,
It's just a matter of the knowing I guess.....and plus I don't trust myself to do right the
first time and brakes aren't something everyone is comfortable with, but I really admire the skill and the 'I can do it' aspect, I honestly would if I could: Learn, had tools and a garage, (working on the garage part) and of course the time, hehe....
thanx for the post...
how much would the cost be at the dealer? for your Porsche?
It's just a matter of the knowing I guess.....and plus I don't trust myself to do right the
first time and brakes aren't something everyone is comfortable with, but I really admire the skill and the 'I can do it' aspect, I honestly would if I could: Learn, had tools and a garage, (working on the garage part) and of course the time, hehe....
thanx for the post...
how much would the cost be at the dealer? for your Porsche?
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good luck with the job
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great post flydad911,
It's just a matter of the knowing I guess.....and plus I don't trust myself to do right the
first time and brakes aren't something everyone is comfortable with, but I really admire the skill and the 'I can do it' aspect, I honestly would if I could: Learn, had tools and a garage, (working on the garage part) and of course the time, hehe....
thanx for the post...
how much would the cost be at the dealer? for your Porsche?
It's just a matter of the knowing I guess.....and plus I don't trust myself to do right the
first time and brakes aren't something everyone is comfortable with, but I really admire the skill and the 'I can do it' aspect, I honestly would if I could: Learn, had tools and a garage, (working on the garage part) and of course the time, hehe....
thanx for the post...
how much would the cost be at the dealer? for your Porsche?
You could start by changing the rear pads first - they are smaller because the front pads take the most stopping force - it's really, really easy to change pads, and I've seen pictures on other forums of the whole process step by step. That might have been for the Porsche, but they are so similar if you can do one, you can do the other.
Go for it!
