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Old 09-17-2011, 11:36 PM
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Paint Swirls!

On the trunk of my E350, it looks like someone took their fingernails and scratched my car...
I tried using Scratch X and they came out, but in its place came thousands of towel scratches which if you follow them with a LED flashlight look like swirls, although they are much more fine.

Does this happen on black cars? They look like super fine swirls and I tried using Zaino on that section, but it didn't really help...
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It will need to be polished out with a rotary or PC by a professional detailer. You won't be able to do anything by hand.

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my black car is suffering from a simlar swirl......I agree with the pro detail, and ask them to clay the thing too.........

black is still the fastest color when clean!
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I'm a new member having just got into 2011 E350 from BMW. I am somewhat of a detailing fanatic so let me give some DYI tips (although a very abridged version). If you are so inclined, I would suggest first wash and clay bar and then use a random orbital polisher (as opposed to a rotary which, if not careful, will burn paint). I use Menzerna products with the polisher and this will definitely take out the swirls. BTW, the method by which this (or any detailing) works is by removing a micro thin layer of the clear coat. Not to worry, there is plenty of clear coat and you won't diminish the protection. Thereafter, avoid sponges and towels to wash car - using only foam to wash and microfiber to dry. Though impossible to completely avoid swirls, I can tell you that after 6 years of black cars I have had very little swirling and you'd really have to look very hard under direct sunlight to detect them. Looking forward to learning tips/tricks about the E350.
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Black is def the sexiest color. but a bit$$ch to keep clean.
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Black is def the sexiest color. but a bit$$ch to keep clean.
AMEN! That's why I switched to gunmetal grey. The commitment to black can become overwhelming
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Go get you a professional grade random orbital buffer like the Flex, watch some youtube DIY video's, select you a professional grade 3 step system and your swirls will be history. It's very easy to do and with a black car, this is definitely a must.
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Had a few black cars because black looks great when fresh from a detail. But it sucks to have to get it detailed every week just to keep it looking great. Often on bad days, even a couple days of dust and it looks like crap. Too much upkeep.

Silver is the best IMO. My 3rd silver car. I can not wash the car for a month and it still looks decently clean.
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Had a few black cars because black looks great when fresh from a detail. But it sucks to have to get it detailed every week just to keep it looking great. Often on bad days, even a couple days of dust and it looks like crap. Too much upkeep.

Silver is the best IMO. My 3rd silver car. I can not wash the car for a month and it still looks decently clean.
Utterly totally true!

I'm fortunate in that I don't have to take the new one out of the garage if it so much as merely looks like foul weather - and I don't.

It just looks so baaaaad in black with the red/black leather interior that I couldn't resist getting that combo.

My previous Benz was brilliant silver metallic. As you say, it simply never ever looked dirty!

Well, there was the one time it was buried in a mudslide.....
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Originally Posted by BenzMan369
Utterly totally true!

I'm fortunate in that I don't have to take the new one out of the garage if it so much as merely looks like foul weather - and I don't.

It just looks so baaaaad in black with the red/black leather interior that I couldn't resist getting that combo.

My previous Benz was brilliant silver metallic. As you say, it simply never ever looked dirty!

Well, there was the one time it was buried in a mudslide.....

My wife used to think I was crazy. Do a 3-4 hour detail with a resulting brilliant black shine -- back into the garage because of cloudy overcast or even worse, high pollen count which would otherwise cast a layer of green all over the shiny surface. Not easy owning a black car
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Originally Posted by EmE247
Had a few black cars because black looks great when fresh from a detail. But it sucks to have to get it detailed every week just to keep it looking great. Often on bad days, even a couple days of dust and it looks like crap. Too much upkeep.

Silver is the best IMO. My 3rd silver car. I can not wash the car for a month and it still looks decently clean.
Completely agree with you! My previous car, a C class, was the first and only black car I'll ever own. I mean...unless I *won* a black Bentley or something like that...
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Take caution when you go to a detailer to get them buffed out. Find a pro who truly knows the right pads, products and speeds to use. Even random orbitals, with the wrong pad/polish combination can impart swirls and hazing that will yet require another detail(er) to correct. I've seen quite a number of newer, higher end cars where the clear coat is peeling and nothing is left but a dull finish underneath.

Black does look great when detailed properly. But after having multiple black and red cars, I had to take a break!
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All colors will get swirl marks but dark colors will show swirls easier.

Swirls can only be removed mechanically - you wash, clay and polish the paint using the appropriate products and pads.

You can reduce swirls by starting with a clean finish, proper sealant and wax and never, ever, running your car through a car wash, Use quality microfiber towels, proper techniques and plenty of water and you can even keep black looking good.
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Originally Posted by BenzMan369
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It just looks so baaaaad in black with the red/black leather interior that I couldn't resist getting that combo.
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Looked at an e350 coupe a few days ago - white with almond interior. Looks even better in person! Very nice. Love the convertible too. I bet the merlot interior is outta site in person.

Sat in an S-class too. Definitely felt the wow! factor. Materials are so nice, leather, everything.

Interestingly they had an '08 S-class with less than 20k miles on it, for a little under $40k. Looked like a bargain to me.
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Originally Posted by EmE247
Silver is the best IMO. My 3rd silver car. I can not wash the car for a month and it still looks decently clean.
Same with White.

3 weeks and 2 drives from to and from Vegas without a wash, and when I got back in, I got numerous compliments on my car and how "clean it is".

I also noticed one time, in perhaps the brightest sun I've ever experienced, that my car had some swirls on the side. It bugged me for a second, but after seeing my car in ever other sun shade of light, even interior florescent lights, etc. and never noticing one swirl on it, I don't really care (white hides swirls great).

As for black, you'd have to pay me considerably to have a black car, lol.
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My wife used to think I was crazy. Do a 3-4 hour detail with a resulting brilliant black shine -- back into the garage because of cloudy overcast or even worse, high pollen count which would otherwise cast a layer of green all over the shiny surface. Not easy owning a black car
Oh dear lord - pollen. I dreaded having to drive one of my prior black cars to work in the springtime because of that. And then there were those crazy trees overhanging the parking area that dropped what looked like
purplish berries all over the cars. 'Xcuse me, I'm having a PTSD flashback. Need meds quick.
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Originally Posted by wireless200
.....I bet the merlot interior is outta site in person......
MB does a very nice job with the black/red interior. Not too "in-your-face." Admittedly though, I don't think it's quite as "elegant" looking as other possible choices.

With black paint it seemed perfect to me for creating a more aggressive, sporty impression, combined with the C207 overall look. This is also due to the black/red interior coming standard with aluminum and black ash trim. The new aluminum-trimmed steering wheel highlights this too.

It all goes together very well and my ego gets a boost from all the stares.

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If I ever had any doubts about NOT getting a black car, my first detail today on gunmetal gray cured those concerns. This is my first non-black car in 7 years. My detail today on a new E350 (1.5 weeks old) was such a breeze. Claybar, wash and Zaino wax -- while not the deep seated shine I got with black - car looks gorgeous. Used to be, after a wash, by time I moved the car back into the garage after cleanup, there was a layer of visible dust everywhere. Today, nothing (or at least you can't see it). I can already see that the maintenance will be a fraction of what I had with black. I'm getting to old for the "black commitment". I'm a changed man.

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