ngerstman

I read in a Motor Trend article that the refresh for the 2013 e class will not only include new body styling but new engines as well!! This is unbelievable, new engines again after one year!!! The v8 will be a single turbo 435hp up from 408hp and the v6 will increase hp to 333!!! That is three engines in three years, no doubt a new indoor record for Mercedes. Has anyone seen or heard the same? Regards. Ned.

BudC

The good news is that Mercedes will FINALLY bring in their 4 cylinder turbo diesel. Even the GLK is supposed to get it.

As for the new V6, I think they are going turbo since it's the last of the engines that are naturally aspirated.

listerone

That should be interesting.Although I *loved* the beast under the hood of my BMW I think I've reached the point where an E Class that gets an mpg in the 40's is even more appealing to me.For that matter MB displayed a diesel hybrid in Detroit last January that gets 55mpg and features 550 ft lbs of torque.That model *will* be sold in Europe later this year.THAT one I'd love!

thekurgan

Hell yeah ...

Saeedg48

hm i wonder why they're going with a single turbo? hope they don't change the double turbo setup on the amgs

BenzV12

I heard of 1.6 liter engine in E Class
Engineeners seem to solve a big mystery lol
Lower engine size , add a bunch of turbos and get better performance yet better fuel economy ha ha

hyperion667

hmmmmm........interesting

K-A

I have feeling they're referring to the "2013" (in Europe) but 2014 (facelift) MY model in the U.S. Even then, I'd be shocked if they put new motors in just two years after the most recent previous ones.

If they do it for U.S 2013 MY, well that's just sloppiness by M-B. These cars are premium cars (supposed to be), which means that they're expected to be engineered and equipped for the long haul when you buy them, i.e you shouldn't have to worry about not 1, but 2 new drivetrains (or extensive aesthetic changes), and especially those who bought the first iteration of the new drivetrain, shouldn't feel face-smacked by another new one coming out just one year later.

DCubed

No mention of the new V6 on the MY2013 Launch calendar and it always notates new engines or models (it does mention the E400 Hybrid). The turbo V6 may be in the works for the facelift but who knows, they make keep the M276 to keep the 30 MPG rating for the E350.

ngerstman

I suppose it wouldn't be the first time that a car magazine got the details wrong. But it is what they said(including US models). Refresh for 2013, which would be normal for the e, with the new engines as I described. I found that shocking as well so I wouldn't be surprised if they got the engine part of it wrong. A 330hp v6 in the e would be a class leader and pretty amazing. Regards. Ned.

Busta Riles

If they're already switching to a single turbo on the V8, it makes me wonder if they've seen something they don't like on the current set-up.


FYI, we are definitely getting the GLK in diesel (MY2013...sometime around xmas this year). Hopefully they build enough to meet demand.

Kar don

BMW quickly dropped the twin turbo inline 6 setup in favor of the single turbo inline 6.

BudC

I really wanted a GLK with that diesel but they took too long to get their act together.

Dema

Terrific news, it means I can consider E class again after my current lease end in next summer.
I am glad that MB are not idiots and with sofast GS and A6, E class needs to be able to do something.

K-A

All those cars have around 300 HP right now.

Dema

Yes, but it looks like E is heavier or some other problem but A6 is noticeably faster.
0-60 5.1s against 5.8s shown by E class. So a little boost in power will make difference.

ngerstman

It may be faster, but it's still an Audi. I can say that on our forum!! Still don't trust their quality issues. Regards. Ned.

K-A

Indeed, Ned. I personally think buying cars in this segment for 0-60 times is hilariously misguided and odd, but that's just me.

The Audi just doesn't have "it" to me, and wouldn't be on my personal radar, however on the subject of its motor; it is becoming widely known that their S/C'd V6 is a beast, that is either grossly underrated, or makes incredibly efficient use of that power. Not only is it faster than BMW's similarly powered 535i, but it seems faster than a lot of cars with more HP. I've driven an even heavier A7 with that same powerplant, and can attest that it pulls a lot harder than the HP numbers would suggest.

El Cid

New body styling after only three years? New engine after one year just to shave 2/10ths of a second off 0-60? Wouldn't it be better use of R&D, tooling start-ups, etc. for M-B to improve reliability and quality of current models.
If DAG is this afraid of losing out to BMW, Lexus and Audi in the "E" Class segment, they have already lost. Losing some sales is one thing, but going to this expense is not sound fiscal planning IMO. Lost $1.3 Billion on Maybach just because BMW had Rolls and VW had Bentley.
Be the best where you can compete and don't try to compete everywhere.

Dema

I can see more and more A6 on streets, and it means people do selection toward Audi. If we think 0-60 isn't important anymore, then A6 is still a winner. Ineeded Sillicon valley is in the car. I saw post that people are more impressed with ability to stream music in COMMAND then performance and handling of E class. But what the poster could say if you can read and send e-mails from Audi control centers, weather, news, Google maps (yes, you do not need to pay hundreds $$$ for updating your maps how you do in Mercedes). Again I saw posts complaining why Ford gets maps for free? So not only engine, but electronics in E class is outdated, and MB loses customers who buy Audi, BMW and even Huyindai. We all love Mercedes, but we should understand that our love should be appreciated from Mercedes as well putting good engines, and electronics in our cars.

K-A

It really depends on what you want from a car. All the things you stated in what makes Audi desirable are technology related, therefore, if you mostly seek a driving Media center, then the Audi certainly beats the E. If you want to race around your "Executive Sedan" in some odd manner, then 0-60 means something, and the Audi is also victor.

To me, I don't really care about tech in a car, proof in that most of those things you stated I don't know what they are or don't use them, and with a Sedan, as long as it doesn't feel "slow", I'm fine with it. To me, the E350 isn't slow at all, feels perfectly adequate. I focus on the holistic experience, and whatever the M-B does seems to currently give that to me.

As well, you have to remember, that there are tradeoffs. BMW's Turbo 6 HAD more power than the E350, but it comes with a price: Unreliability (maybe the newest gens have at least semi fixed that, but the initial "35" motors were very problematic). Also, M-B is definitely more simplified technologically, but that shows in how much more dependable the vehicle is than a 5-Series, and certainly than an Audi. With the E, I feel M-B went "back to basics", a strong and solid car, with all that you need, that will outlast the competition. With the 5er and A6, I'd imagine in 20 years from now, their more complex motors (F/I AND D/I) and tech would be more "hands off" signals than anything (man, just imagine wth we'll see in cars 20 years from now!).

Also, the E-Class is the highest selling car in its segment. This is WITH less power and tech. It absolutely crushes even the new A6's initial (usually sales inflated) months and stripped the 5-Series of its "first year victory dance" by outselling it last year, with lower HP, lower MPG, and less flashy tech.

Maybe I'm just making this up in my head, because it's how I feel and how it resonates to me, but M-B seems to focus more on the holistic experience rather than the on-paper goodies. I find myself to rarely pick the "best statistical choice", as they somehow often tend to lack that holistic spirit that speaks to me.

petee1997

K-A you are right. The new engines and small body changes are starting early next year in Europe. That means the 2014 model for North America. The DI engine is not new. It has been in use in Europe since the W212 came out. North America was slow having the engine certified and it was delayed until the 2012 model.
My wife is in the process of ordering a new 2013 E350 Coupe 4Matic and she was told not to expect any body style changes or a new engine. I do not know if the 4Matic E coupe will be offered in the US. It is only offered in the 6 cyl. The v8 remains a RWD only.