bigh123

Hi all,

I'm a recent watcher and new poster to this board. I am about to order a new e350 since we can't find one that is black/black with the driver assistance package. Since they are not making any 2012s, I get a 2013 (which is great since the dealer said it will have 30-40 more hp). Is anyone else ordering one? This is the first time I'm ordering a car. Any tips? The dealer is offering 7.5% off MSRP. I am looking to 10%. There is no 2013 pricing, so I will not know the exact pricing for a couple of weeks.


Thanks

dfordham

First I've heard of a horsepower increase for 2013. Perhaps your salesman was confusing the increase from '11 (268hp) to '12 (302hp)? I hope he's right, though.

Regards,
Don

hofb99

Word around town is MY '13 will be bumped to 330hp...wish I waited! But not sure what it's going to look like...

bigh123

Nope. The dealer was surprised when he found out. He does not think it will look too different and pricing info/packages should be available soon.

MinnBobber

Hi,
I had posted a couple weeks ago a quote from MotorTrend Mag that 2013 E would have 333 HP BUT it appears that is not correct. They likely got it confused with the E Hybrid which does have about 333 HP with gasser and
electric combined.
I am hoping 2013 gasser does have 333 but the odds are that it will NOT

If anybody gets their hands on the US Dealers 2013 E Order Guide...please post!

The only solid info seems to be that Arctic White color is cancelled and Polar White takes its place. Polar White is probably less cream color and more appliance white

blue997s

Not correct according to the 2013 dealer order guide. It reports all engines carry over from 2012 except for the new E400.

Also, I suggest that you get the dealer to clarify the 7.5% off MSRP. Is that including discounts such as loyalty and/or conquest cash? Some people have been burned by dealers playing fast and loose with how they are going to get to a given discount level.

K-A

Not gonna be 333 HP next year, highly doubtful.

playbook

Yesterday I ordered a 2013 E Luxury, Beige with Almond interior, P1, lane warning, and folding rear seat. Dealer said could be ordered but no allocation yet- expected delivery late July or August. They do not know whether any price increases but delivery has increased $30 to $905.
Question: Keyless ignition is now offered as a separate option for $650. Is it worth it?

mjsbenz

Hi Playbook.

I do like the keyless entry comfort package. Not having to take your key out of your pocket is nice (and for my wife even better). Had it on my Vette and enjoyed not having to get the key out with my hands full. $650 is not a bad number.

Mark

HBerman

My dealer also told me that there would be a new turbo 333hp V6 engine for 2013 E350. Additionally, he said that the 2013 models would also have the facelift changes. However, he didn't yet have the 2013 dealer ordering guide so he wasn't able to supply more specifics. Time will tell as to what the facts are to be.

There are a couple of more changes. The Harmon Kardon unit is now a separate item and is not included in the P1 package. There is another high-end sound system from B&O which is also available for $6500.

aeggroup

Are you sure your dealer was talking about gasoline version ? BlueTec is coming with updated engine and it will be 240hp...30 more than now.

K-A

It's insane how much dealers and magazines don't know. If the E's facelift was coming this year, not only would it be the softest build up for a facelift I've personally ever experienced, but Europe would already be seeing it on the roads, as they get early MY models before we do. Also, the E's facelift ALWAYS launches coinciding with the next generation S-Class.

On top of that, if M-B is switching to an all new motor a year after an all new motor, Daimler shareholders would have good reason to abandon the company, as massive amounts of R&D to put a new engine in a car for a mere 1 year would be the worst business flub since the Chrysler merger.

hyperion667

sheesh, it won't be long until the 350 has as much HP as my 550.....

BenzV12

30-40 HP boost ? WOW , that's awesome
Not to mention you can get another 30 HP thanks to Carlsson kit

bigh123

My dealer said early July, but others are saying later.

bigh123

Doesn't make any sense to me either. They must think that they are falling behind BMW and Audio, and maybe the GS (Yes I said it) in tech (not performance)

bigh123

Also,

To all, I'm a little nervous about ordering the first run of a new car (cause of defects) even if it is MB. Has anyone had problems with a car when they got it right when it was being built?

davidbijan

On top of that, if M-B is switching to an all new motor a year after an all new motor, Daimler shareholders would have good reason to abandon the company, quote by KA

Not only shareholders, but MB owners. I bought my E last March and it will be only 2 years into ownership if they decide to facelift the car with skin changes and a significant change in the motor again. I expected these changes in 2015. If they change the skin mid cycle and motor again, it significantly devalues my current E. I dont know about you guys but that bugs me. Why would i even consider a 2013 swap out when they will definitely change the E completely in 2015. As much as I love my car and i do, im not going to pick up another E if this should occur. I expected this production run to
last at least until 2015. Makes me want to jump brand to the Audi A6 or just bite the bullet and get the CLS.

MinnBobber

My dealer said best case scenario is BUILD in early July but build to US delivery
is typically 6 weeks.
So, he said DELIVERY best case is late Aug but may slide into Sept. He didn't want to over promise and then be pi$$ed if it wasn't here.

HBerman

The Daimler shareholders want MB to be competitive since that drives sales, right? BMW has been making significant advances in sales volumes the past several years. Additionally, they have been steadily improving both the mpg and the hp for their engines. The DI engines that were new here in 2012 had been used for the prior 2 years in Europe. I'm sure that the V6 engine will be going down the same line as the prior year's V6 did. I've heard that the new V6 will have a turbo (currently normally aspirated) to gain the increased hp. Whether or not the 2013 E-class gets reskinned is also a marketing driven thing. My dealer told me that many potential customers had been turned off by the rear fender treatment. Note that the C-class facelift did not get the E-class rear for 2012. The interior of the C-class was significantly upgraded as well for 2012 and there exists both the prior year's V6 and the DI-V6 concurrently.

bigh123

One said build in early June. Delivery in early July. I don't know who to believe.

K-A

The current E is the highest selling E of all time, and has actually reversed the W211's second-place behind the E60 5-Series in U.S sales, and handily took over as the #1 sales driver in its class, even outselling the first year F10 5-Series, and this includes Sedans VS Sedans. I don't think customer reaction would be a reason as to why the E-Class is getting any changes, instead it's typical competitive necessities, and having to keep it inline with M-B's new products coming out in terms of specs and even homogenizing(cost cutting) parts and styling.

BMW are masters of sharing and sharing over and over again. Those guys design one platform, one engine, one tranny, and they sell several different cars reskined as that. That's why BMW are the most homogenous Luxury Cars out now, and why they have the highest profit margins out there.

BMW would never make a bad enough business decision to put so much R&D into new drivetrains only to discontinue them after a couple of years. If M-B did that, it would be a red-flag as to terrible management.

Engines are very expensive to design and manufacture, which is why they typically are produced for much longer than 2-3 years. BMW's current engines have been around for a while, they do not change to all new ones. They tweak the core ones they have every now and again, which is cheap, relatively speaking.

HBerman

The truth will be evident in a few weeks. My lease isn't up until mid next year. If the 2013 E-class gets the engine and facelift changes in 2013, I will have the option to terminate early. If it's 2014, then it will be right at my lease end. No problem either way. I'm also looking at a 2014 CLS as a change of pace.

I'll continue to enjoy my fully optioned ride until the new stuff arrives.

petee1997

My wife has a 2013 E350 Coupe on order and there will not be any body changes nor will the engine have 333hp. I got the build sheet today showing a build date of June 19th.

Your dealer is ignorant and seriously misinformed. All changes arrive early next year in Europe. Their new model year starts in the Spring and cars are intoduced as 2013 models. Then, later in the Fall of 2013 the same car will be introduced in North America as a 2014 model. That car will have the European updates ie:small front end changes to the headlights and have a 333hp engine. Don't expect the ponton fender to disappear. MB usually makes small cometic changes mid cycle but normally don't restamp body panels.

The mix up comes from a British magazine detailing some of the changes to the 2013 E class which is a 2014 for us. Europe always gets changes first, North America 2nd.

bigh123

We will see. Two different dealers confirmed more hp. The one I ordered from said it might be a BlueTec engine for all new e350s.