Tuning advice needed
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2011 E550 4Matic
Tuning advice needed
Hey guys, so I got my E550 about 2 weeks ago now and LOVE it to death. Its worlds faster then my C was, and yet....i still want to squeeze more speed out. So ive been looking at the options from all the various tuning companies, and so far these seem to be my options:
Brand - Peak HP / Tq - Price
----------------------------
OE tuning - 414 / 418 $595
Eurocharged - 404 / 427 $534 or $899 for the DIY tuner
Renntech - 402 / 405 $1,490
Carlsson - 475 / ? $?
Brabus - 500 / 720 $? NO idea if im reading this one right
So im currently trying to make up my mind who to go with, I'm leaning to Carlsson right now although i have no idea how much their kit costs (item number 11000470 M, performance kit CK50 if anyone curious to take a look). Brabus sounds awesome, but im guessing its more then just a tune, and so would require a ton of engine modifications. Has anyone used any of these guys on a '11 (pre bi-turbo) and can give me any pointers who i should use?
Thanks!
(PS I formatted that chart a lot better when i was typing it but i guess it dosent keep all the spacing once you hit post *Doh!*)
Brand - Peak HP / Tq - Price
----------------------------
OE tuning - 414 / 418 $595
Eurocharged - 404 / 427 $534 or $899 for the DIY tuner
Renntech - 402 / 405 $1,490
Carlsson - 475 / ? $?
Brabus - 500 / 720 $? NO idea if im reading this one right
So im currently trying to make up my mind who to go with, I'm leaning to Carlsson right now although i have no idea how much their kit costs (item number 11000470 M, performance kit CK50 if anyone curious to take a look). Brabus sounds awesome, but im guessing its more then just a tune, and so would require a ton of engine modifications. Has anyone used any of these guys on a '11 (pre bi-turbo) and can give me any pointers who i should use?
Thanks!
(PS I formatted that chart a lot better when i was typing it but i guess it dosent keep all the spacing once you hit post *Doh!*)
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Hmm, yea ive never tuned a car before, and the majority of the tunes post ~20-25 more hp/tq, which i have no real sense of how much you would notice that. the Carlsson one seems to post some major gains which i wouldnt mind (475 from 382?). And someone posted earlier about doing a Carlsson ECU tune, which sounded great because of improved MPG too, which i wouldnt mind
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Hmm, yea ive never tuned a car before, and the majority of the tunes post ~20-25 more hp/tq, which i have no real sense of how much you would notice that. the Carlsson one seems to post some major gains which i wouldnt mind (475 from 382?). And someone posted earlier about doing a Carlsson ECU tune, which sounded great because of improved MPG too, which i wouldnt mind
The one thing I can guarantee is there is no way carlsson can get that much power out of a tune for for the 5.5 lt NA motor. Maybe with a turbo or supercharger.
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Hmm, yea ive never tuned a car before, and the majority of the tunes post ~20-25 more hp/tq, which i have no real sense of how much you would notice that. the Carlsson one seems to post some major gains which i wouldnt mind (475 from 382?). And someone posted earlier about doing a Carlsson ECU tune, which sounded great because of improved MPG too, which i wouldnt mind
If an indy tuner with limited funds can develop a device that adds roughly 25% more HP and increases gas mileage, then why wouldn't the OE manufacturer (with virtually unlimited R&D money) do that themselves?
Assuming the claims are correct (and they aren't) then there has to be a huge downside somewhere.
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I have a 2012 E 550 bi turbo 4 matic. I did a Renntec tune to 530 HP .
It is faster then the old E 63 Amg NA. Tuning the old 550 Na engine is waste of money.
It is faster then the old E 63 Amg NA. Tuning the old 550 Na engine is waste of money.
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Ask yourself this question:
If an indy tuner with limited funds can develop a device that adds roughly 25% more HP and increases gas mileage, then why wouldn't the OE manufacturer (with virtually unlimited R&D money) do that themselves?
Assuming the claims are correct (and they aren't) then there has to be a huge downside somewhere.
If an indy tuner with limited funds can develop a device that adds roughly 25% more HP and increases gas mileage, then why wouldn't the OE manufacturer (with virtually unlimited R&D money) do that themselves?
Assuming the claims are correct (and they aren't) then there has to be a huge downside somewhere.
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Hmm. Yea I've been looking at Brabus options, no idea what they cost. I was looking at a Keeman kit last night, ~£5500 and it boosts to 460 HP and like 620tq. Not bad 
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I had an OE tune on my old CLS550. It's not the actual increase that you're looking for...they also changed the parameters of the torque limiter in 1st gear. Yes, that car had a torque limiter. The factory programs it to deliver roughly 80% of the torque in 1st gear. After the chip the car would launch quite a bit harder. Definitely worth the money.
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I had an OE tune on my old CLS550. It's not the actual increase that you're looking for...they also changed the parameters of the torque limiter in 1st gear. Yes, that car had a torque limiter. The factory programs it to deliver roughly 80% of the torque in 1st gear. After the chip the car would launch quite a bit harder. Definitely worth the money.
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Then again, after the tune you'll forget about mpg and stomp it all over the place
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haha, yea my new job has me doing a decent bit of freeway driving to get there, so it may be nicer there...hmm, think im sold on doing a ECU then, sometime next month. Just not sure who to go with, OETune has a ton of great reviews, but kleemann/Renntech/Brabus have a bit more name recognition and may help resale value when i trade it up next year...hmm
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haha, yea my new job has me doing a decent bit of freeway driving to get there, so it may be nicer there...hmm, think im sold on doing a ECU then, sometime next month. Just not sure who to go with, OETune has a ton of great reviews, but kleemann/Renntech/Brabus have a bit more name recognition and may help resale value when i trade it up next year...hmm
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haha, yea my new job has me doing a decent bit of freeway driving to get there, so it may be nicer there...hmm, think im sold on doing a ECU then, sometime next month. Just not sure who to go with, OETune has a ton of great reviews, but kleemann/Renntech/Brabus have a bit more name recognition and may help resale value when i trade it up next year...hmm
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Hey guys, so I got my E550 about 2 weeks ago now and LOVE it to death. Its worlds faster then my C was, and yet....i still want to squeeze more speed out. So ive been looking at the options from all the various tuning companies, and so far these seem to be my options:
Brand - Peak HP / Tq - Price
----------------------------
OE tuning - 414 / 418 $595
Eurocharged - 404 / 427 $534 or $899 for the DIY tuner
Renntech - 402 / 405 $1,490
Carlsson - 475 / ? $?
Brabus - 500 / 720 $? NO idea if im reading this one right
So im currently trying to make up my mind who to go with, I'm leaning to Carlsson right now although i have no idea how much their kit costs (item number 11000470 M, performance kit CK50 if anyone curious to take a look). Brabus sounds awesome, but im guessing its more then just a tune, and so would require a ton of engine modifications. Has anyone used any of these guys on a '11 (pre bi-turbo) and can give me any pointers who i should use?
Thanks!
(PS I formatted that chart a lot better when i was typing it but i guess it dosent keep all the spacing once you hit post *Doh!*)
Brand - Peak HP / Tq - Price
----------------------------
OE tuning - 414 / 418 $595
Eurocharged - 404 / 427 $534 or $899 for the DIY tuner
Renntech - 402 / 405 $1,490
Carlsson - 475 / ? $?
Brabus - 500 / 720 $? NO idea if im reading this one right
So im currently trying to make up my mind who to go with, I'm leaning to Carlsson right now although i have no idea how much their kit costs (item number 11000470 M, performance kit CK50 if anyone curious to take a look). Brabus sounds awesome, but im guessing its more then just a tune, and so would require a ton of engine modifications. Has anyone used any of these guys on a '11 (pre bi-turbo) and can give me any pointers who i should use?
Thanks!
(PS I formatted that chart a lot better when i was typing it but i guess it dosent keep all the spacing once you hit post *Doh!*)
All the tuners will put out about the same hp/tq as each other. Carlson and brabus are looking at forced induction for that type of power. (fun tho!)
Our tune is currently on sale for $499 with mail in ecu or $899 with the handheld. One thing to remember is with the handheld you can flash YOURSELF back to stock for dealer visits. The change is undetectable from the dealer prospective, so you don't have to worry about warranty issues.
The tune will change parameters like pedel feel, torque management, remove the speed limitors, and will actually improve gas milage by 1-2mpg.
We offer a money back guarentee on our tuning as well, and offer FREE retunes if you ever want to change mods or get the latest sofware from us!
Ask yourself this question:
If an indy tuner with limited funds can develop a device that adds roughly 25% more HP and increases gas mileage, then why wouldn't the OE manufacturer (with virtually unlimited R&D money) do that themselves?
Assuming the claims are correct (and they aren't) then there has to be a huge downside somewhere.
If an indy tuner with limited funds can develop a device that adds roughly 25% more HP and increases gas mileage, then why wouldn't the OE manufacturer (with virtually unlimited R&D money) do that themselves?
Assuming the claims are correct (and they aren't) then there has to be a huge downside somewhere.
I live in the UK and we we chip and tune our cars regularly. I had an AUDI A5 3.0 TDI from 246hp to 306HP. The reason manufacturers wont tune them to this is because of differing qualities of Diesel or Gas (Petrol). They have to tune them low so they can ship them anywhere.
haha, yea my new job has me doing a decent bit of freeway driving to get there, so it may be nicer there...hmm, think im sold on doing a ECU then, sometime next month. Just not sure who to go with, OETune has a ton of great reviews, but kleemann/Renntech/Brabus have a bit more name recognition and may help resale value when i trade it up next year...hmm
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First congrats on the car purchase!
All the tuners will put out about the same hp/tq as each other. Carlson and brabus are looking at forced induction for that type of power. (fun tho!)
Our tune is currently on sale for $499 with mail in ecu or $899 with the handheld. One thing to remember is with the handheld you can flash YOURSELF back to stock for dealer visits. The change is undetectable from the dealer prospective, so you don't have to worry about warranty issues.
The tune will change parameters like pedel feel, torque management, remove the speed limitors, and will actually improve gas milage by 1-2mpg.
We offer a money back guarentee on our tuning as well, and offer FREE retunes if you ever want to change mods or get the latest sofware from us!
True, but one thing you need to remember is they have to make sure grandma who accidently puts 89 octane in the car doesn't screw up the engine! Also, it needs to be protected from different fuel types across the world. We custom taylor the tune for the elevation and octane rating of the area in question.
Typically the tune doesn't help resell... Just food for thought!
All the tuners will put out about the same hp/tq as each other. Carlson and brabus are looking at forced induction for that type of power. (fun tho!)
Our tune is currently on sale for $499 with mail in ecu or $899 with the handheld. One thing to remember is with the handheld you can flash YOURSELF back to stock for dealer visits. The change is undetectable from the dealer prospective, so you don't have to worry about warranty issues.
The tune will change parameters like pedel feel, torque management, remove the speed limitors, and will actually improve gas milage by 1-2mpg.
We offer a money back guarentee on our tuning as well, and offer FREE retunes if you ever want to change mods or get the latest sofware from us!
True, but one thing you need to remember is they have to make sure grandma who accidently puts 89 octane in the car doesn't screw up the engine! Also, it needs to be protected from different fuel types across the world. We custom taylor the tune for the elevation and octane rating of the area in question.
Typically the tune doesn't help resell... Just food for thought!
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How long have you had the tune?
Any problems?
Any issues with warranty through the dealer when servicing?
thx
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Have you come up with a solution yet? In a few weeks time my brother and I will be handed down an SLK as a joint birthday present (I hate being a twin...) and he's talking about doing some diesel chip tuning... I'm not really into the whole increasing the performance thing, I just want to drive the car but seeing as my brother and dad both seem quite into the idea so I thought I'd do some research on it. Does anyone have a vague idea of how long it might take, price etc? My brother and I are taking it in for a preliminary look-in next week and I just didn't really want to seem like an amateur, save us from being ripped off! Can anyone see if their website seems legit? They're called tuned2race and they do diesel chip tuning as well as other performance related stuff, do you think they look okay from the website? I know it's about a lot more than that but it's a start.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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Hi Karl901, Do you really think it's a waste? If he could not afford the newer TT, I think its a good option. I just picked up a 2010 E550 and I want to tune it as well. Adding possibly 25HP and adding more responsivness for roughly $600 may be worth it because from what I'm seeing, there are not many other options out there unfortunately. I wish I could have the HP yours is producing! Pretty amazing getting over 500HP.
