Officially farewell W212, Hello F10 (new pics)....
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
On another note, I had a little taste of some potential "BMW problems" tonight.
We were driving to a belated VDay destination, and all of a sudden I hear a "pop" and my interior chime comes on as well as the interior lights. I thought I ran over something or my trunk popped open.... turns out my rear driver side door popped open.... on the freeway at like 75 MPH. It didn't actually swing open, it just unlatched from the full latch position. Very odd as I closed that same door earlier in the day and it was obviously shut, perhaps I didn't push it hard enough but still is no excuse for it to pop open when it was in fact in a fully latched position.
I hope this car doesn't remind me why BMW in all its successful might to impress me so thoroughly, can be a temperamental date itself.
And don't let your dealer tell you it's user error: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=740979
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
This happened to a friend of mine's F10. He has the soft close doors and they re-programmed the software. But it happened again. You should take the car in and have it checked. It seems to be relatively common with BMWs for some reason: https://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+...ient=firefox-a
And don't let your dealer tell you it's user error: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=740979
And don't let your dealer tell you it's user error: http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=740979
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,056
Likes: 5
From: Paradise
w212 E550
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,747
Likes: 20
From: Central Pennsylvania
2012 S350 Bluetec 4Matic, Diamond White, P2
I have hear a B&O system in an Audi A8 and I think it is the best sounding factory system I have ever heard. That said, it may not sound as good in the BMW. Interestingly, I have noticed that the HK system in my S is significantly better sounding than the HK system that was in my E. The only difference (on paper) is that the woofers in the S's front doors are slightly larger, and the center channel dash speaker has an additional tweeter. I would not have expected such a dramatic difference in sound quality from the HK system between models.
Super Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 761
Likes: 23
From: Oklahoma
W211 E320 & W212 E550
I have hear a B&O system in an Audi A8 and I think it is the best sounding factory system I have ever heard. That said, it may not sound as good in the BMW. Interestingly, I have noticed that the HK system in my S is significantly better sounding than the HK system that was in my E. The only difference (on paper) is that the woofers in the S's front doors are slightly larger, and the center channel dash speaker has an additional tweeter. I would not have expected such a dramatic difference in sound quality from the HK system between models.
I've been thinking about contacting Harmon to get more of the inside scoop on these systems. Be nice to have a way of changing the tuning parameters of the system to meet personal preferences. There is a guy on DIYMA that is from the Harmon car audio division, maybe he would have some insight.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
My dealer just added Acura to their line up (Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, BMW, Land Rover, Jaguar.) The other day my salesperson took me to lunch in a new demo Acura TL. The sound system really surprised me. It's quite good (and plays DVD-A.) Later I looked it up and it's designed by Elliot Scheiner (http://www.panasonic.com/els_surround/Elliot.asp) and made by Panasonic. A few years ago, Edmunds rated it the highest of all the high end stock systems available at the time (including B&O, Bose, and B&W, etc..) http://www.edmunds.com/car-technolog...sound-off.html
Anyway, nice quality sound. And it's standard on the TL. The car itself was a decent ride. Too bad it's fugly.
Anyway, nice quality sound. And it's standard on the TL. The car itself was a decent ride. Too bad it's fugly.
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Yeah I rode in a new TL a little while ago. Drives great, perhaps felt more comfortable than my then-W212 in that kind of cushy/non-teutonic Japanese-Car way.
It seems to be an exceptional appliance, the TL, but yeah, too bad it's hideous. Acura really needs to drop whatever the hell it is they're trying to do with their design language and just go back to making nice and clean Japanese cars.
It seems to be an exceptional appliance, the TL, but yeah, too bad it's hideous. Acura really needs to drop whatever the hell it is they're trying to do with their design language and just go back to making nice and clean Japanese cars.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,056
Likes: 5
From: Paradise
w212 E550
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
The problem is the RLX looks so insubstantial and generic, yet not even cohesive necessarily. It could have a Lexus or Hyundai or "enter any Midsize Generic Asian or even American Sedan" badge on it and I wouldn't think twice about it.
Definitely wasn't impressed by it at the Auto Show.
Definitely wasn't impressed by it at the Auto Show.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
Yeah I rode in a new TL a little while ago. Drives great, perhaps felt more comfortable than my then-W212 in that kind of cushy/non-teutonic Japanese-Car way.
It seems to be an exceptional appliance, the TL, but yeah, too bad it's hideous. Acura really needs to drop whatever the hell it is they're trying to do with their design language and just go back to making nice and clean Japanese cars.
It seems to be an exceptional appliance, the TL, but yeah, too bad it's hideous. Acura really needs to drop whatever the hell it is they're trying to do with their design language and just go back to making nice and clean Japanese cars.
It was a pretty impressive car, actually. And with low maintenance and high reliability (and top ranked safety too with the new + rating.) Again, too bad it's ugly (interior is okay.)
What's become of the NSX concept? Will it ever be released? Honda was once a big name in motorsports, especially with Formula One.
MBWorld God!
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 31,273
Likes: 3,916
From: on my way
2012 CLS63
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,747
Likes: 20
From: Central Pennsylvania
2012 S350 Bluetec 4Matic, Diamond White, P2
Other than their looks, I have always been amazed at Honda's inability to quell road noise. ALL Acuras and Hondas are just noisey to me. They handle great for FWD platform vehicles, and, have great electronics. The road noise is just a non-starter for me. Hopefully they have addressed this with the RLX. I doubt it though.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,336
Likes: 8
Porsche 991S, Cayenne S, 1972 BMW 3.0CS E9 Coupe
Other than their looks, I have always been amazed at Honda's inability to quell road noise. ALL Acuras and Hondas are just noisey to me. They handle great for FWD platform vehicles, and, have great electronics. The road noise is just a non-starter for me. Hopefully they have addressed this with the RLX. I doubt it though.
I'm almost tempted to get one to use just as an anonymous (and fugly) daily driver. They seem like a no-brainer kind of car; plenty of creature comforts, safety, and decent driving feel, yet with dirt cheap ownership costs and high reliability. And here I thought I was just getting a free lunch and a cruise with my salesperson, lol. I guess they're always in 'sales mode.'
Thread Starter
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
My friend has the previous body style TL (the last nice TL they've ever made up to this point) and even that car is super comfy, feels solid and quiet, with nice leather to boot. It's black and he keeps it pristine!
The new one would make the worlds best DD.... just make sure you're never noticed in it or else your taste senses might get embarrassed.
It really does do everything right as an appliance, and give you more dynamics in terms of driving than you'd expect from an appliance. I almost feel like Honda/Acura stepped up the actual technicalities of the car so much because they knew the market hated its horrendous looks so much, that it needed something to carry it/keep it competitive.
Also, resale value on them I believe is very good, as I once looked into them as a beater when I needed one for frequent cross-State drives.
As for Honda's, they indeed have never been able to make a quiet car devoid of road noise. I drove a previous gen Civic long distance once.... seriously the worst car I've ever driven long distance simply due to harsh road dynamics, and an insanely loud cabin. I loved it around town though, zippy and just a great commuter.
The new one would make the worlds best DD.... just make sure you're never noticed in it or else your taste senses might get embarrassed.
It really does do everything right as an appliance, and give you more dynamics in terms of driving than you'd expect from an appliance. I almost feel like Honda/Acura stepped up the actual technicalities of the car so much because they knew the market hated its horrendous looks so much, that it needed something to carry it/keep it competitive.
Also, resale value on them I believe is very good, as I once looked into them as a beater when I needed one for frequent cross-State drives.
As for Honda's, they indeed have never been able to make a quiet car devoid of road noise. I drove a previous gen Civic long distance once.... seriously the worst car I've ever driven long distance simply due to harsh road dynamics, and an insanely loud cabin. I loved it around town though, zippy and just a great commuter.
