lortone

Does anyone know if the next E-class wagon (or sedan) will be coming with the new 3.0 twin turbo V-6 engine?

Ortone

E Classy

unless there's an insider on these boards, no one knows for sure.

it's a fair question though, considering the new engine is derived from the current V6 DI in the E350. in europe, the E400 apparently only makes ~330hp and i doubt they would sell a 302hp E350 and a 330hp E400 in the US market.

one possibility:
-E250 turbo 4-cyl gas 235hp (matches C250)
-E250 BlueTEC turbo 4-cyl diesel 195hp (current offering)
-E400 turbo V6 330hp (sedan and wagon)

GregTR

I'm guessing the wagon will still come over with a single engine offering plus the AMG. Which engine it will be is a good question but I'd bet it'll be the weaker one.

Jeffy

That would make sense to me that the E400 would replace E350 (like the 350 replaced the 320) and would be a welcome upgrade from the NA 3.5L V6. Then hopefully something new for E550 (if they do indeed get rid of BT4.7L) or E600 with 6.2L and new bigger BTV8s for AMG?

E Classy

well, they lack a sub-50k offering to compete with the A6 2.0T and the 528i, the current E350 does not pair well with the A6 3.0T or the 535i which are better "sport" sedans, and apparently they don't sell very many E550 sedans. also supposedly by eliminating the E550, they can gain some CAFE/EPA brownie points. this is why they still produce low sales volume E400 hybrids.

i doubt there will be a higher non-AMG sedan than the E400. the coupes and cabs will still offer the V8, so i read, due to higher sales than the sedan version. i guess they are confident a buyer will either go for a coupe/cab or just upgrade to AMG if they are looking for the V8 experience.

i'm not sure a 4-cyl 235hp turbo gasser will be adequate for an E250 without the vehicle going on a diet. it works fine for the diesel thanks to the 369tq. but who knows, people buy the A6 2.0T and the 528i with similar engines.

YYZ-E55

Canada gets the E400 Wagon late this fall as a MY15.

E Classy

Looks like we have an answer to that.

MinnBobber

I'd normally be a big fan of increased HP/performance BUT for a lowly
28 HP increase and the expense over time/complexity of twin turbos, not sure it's a good thing.

I thought I heard MPG also suffers with the twin turbo. Anyone know what the rated MPG is? Real world?

thenew3

The biggest difference would not be HP but the torque increase. Plus the torque peaks at a much lower RPM for the 3.0TT it will make it feel like a much stronger engine.

with the displacement going down to 3l I would think the fuel consumption would be similar if not a little better then the existing M276 3.5l

All mfg's are going to forced induction (Turbo/Super chargers) I think it's been proven pretty reliable the last 10 or so years.

E Classy

^ I agree. The new engine will give better performance to compete with Audi and BMW as well as better FE. The 535i is currently a full second faster than the E350 to 60mph. I think the A6 3.0T gets off the line a lot quicker with the SC. I don't really like turbos all that much but they make sense when they're done right. And there's just no other choice if they want to improve the "sport" while gaining FE numbers.

This must be real welcome news to those who want to tune an E400 sedan or wagon to match that aggressive body kit in the sport trim line.

orthojoe

Is there any word that MB will bring over the e250 bluetec engine to the US in the wagon?

E Classy

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thenew3

Not likely consider how few wagons they sell here in the states.

Most likely one small gas engine and then the AMG monster.
My guess will be an E300 (same 2.0t found in the W205 C300) or E400 (same 3.0t found in the W205 C400).

I would love to see an E250 blutec wagon in the states but I highly doubt MB would do that.

dminahan

So given the canada reply does it mean the E350 wagon becomes the E400 wagon in US for 2015? I am considering swapping into a wagon and trying to decides do I order a 2014 or wait for 2015 but my dealer can't give me any info on 2015. Anyone have any potential info?

lortone

Hard to believe know one knows anything about the 2015 E-class wagons. I've Audi's complete order guide for 2015. I'm still trying to find out if the 2015 E-class wagon will have the current V-6 or the newer twin turbo V-6 from the C400. Anyone know?

silberrosa

For MY15, the Wagon stays with the 350 engine. Sedan adds the 400 to the lineup.

xxGenericSNxx

Speaking in general terms, the 400 motor is replacing higher motors such as the E550 and GL450 for most model lines. I wouldn't expect the E350 wagon to get axed for the 400 when the trend is to downsize and have more fuel efficient engines.

lortone

I understand the idea of more fuel-efficient engines, but I understood the new 3-litre V-6 in the C400 was MORE fuel-efficient than the 3.5 engine. Still, I would like firm information about the 2015 E-class wagon. Thanks all.

YYZ-E55

What exactly do you want to know? It's a carry-over model from MY14 in terms of styling and most equipment but with a new engine offered in some countries. All E-Classes have an unusually late MY15 launch for North America, hence the reason there isn't much public info yet.

lortone

I'm ready to buy a new E-class wagon before they are discontinued in the US like the Audi wagons. If the 2015 E-class wagon has the twin V-6, I would prefer it to the current engine. Make sense?

YYZ-E55

I believe Silberrosa is correct; no E400 Wagon for USA. MY15 W/S212 production start-up is in September so it will be a while yet before MBUSA publicly confirms powertrains.

lortone

Thanks all. Looks like I wait until MY 2015 is announced. Nothing to lose unless they cancel the E350 wagon . . . .

thenew3

I would love to see a E250 bluetec, E300 or E400 wagon to replace the E350.

Nothing wrong with the M276 E350 other than a lack of low end torque.

The 2.0t from the MY15 C300 makes about 60hp less but makes the same amount of torque and at a much lower rpm, would make it feel much stronger off the line. While the 3.0tt from the C400 will really make the wagon fly without having to go all the way to the E63.
Even the 2.1 diesel should feel stronger off the line with its incredible amount of low end torque.