I'm just trying to work out if early W213 TPMS sensors are compatible with the modules in the late W212 cars please. I'm in the EU with the 433Mhz sensors but hoping someone here has some experience with how the US modules work.

Basically I bought some W213 alloys and before I go ahead and change the front tyres to fit the W212 I wanted to check the TPMS sensors would work.

It's problematic as I can't drive the car far as the fronts currently rub up against the strut.

The part numbers and appearance of the sensors on the W213 differ to the late W212.

I've bought an Autel MaxiTPMS Pad which has verified the sensors on the W213 wheels are working as expected, but I'm not sure whether the actual transmission data they send is the same as rtl_433 isn't seeing the W213 sensors but does understand the W212 ones which suggests there's a difference in the format of data being sent.

The W213 sensors are transmitting an 8 character TPMS ID starting with 5 and the W212 sensors look to be 7 characters starting with 0 - it would be great if the modules could handle both types but I'm not so sure. Both are Schrader from what I can tell.

Something like the EZ sensors would work but I was hoping to get away with not having to spend too much to make these work - it's getting to the point where I could buy a full set of W212 18" alloys for the price to make the W213 alloys work on my car (so that may be the way forwards).

With thanks in advance

 

W213 and W212 sensors are NOT compatible.

 

Perfect thank-you - explains why they never fell into place.

 

I had an episode with my 2010 E550 sensors. I got another set of wheels and asked a local shop to install new sensors to the wheels. They went to MB dealer to get the sensors and installed them but their tool could not read a signal from the new sensors so they changed them out to another set of sensors. Their tool could read these sensors but my car did not. After visit to MB dealer and the local indy MB shop they could not make them work until they went to get the original sensors bought by the VIN of my car. They work just fine though tis shop tool cannot read them...go figure.

Obviously there is some unexplained "things" going on with this and based on my experience I would give the sensors more time to re-set with the system and you do not need to drive the car. Just have it running idle for about 20-30 minutes and if not in that time the car recognize the sensors then you know they are not the right ones for your car.

 

Thanks Arrie - from doing more digging the W213 sensors have the same appearance as the Schrader EZ Sensors whereas the older ones look more like your typical TPMS sensor but the protocol / encoding seems to have changed between versions.

Unfortunately the Autel MaxiTPMS Pad it turns out can only program Autel sensors - otherwise I'd be intrigued to see if the sensors fitted to the Mercedes wheels could be reprogrammed by the tools that can program the Schrader sensors to an older TPMS ID. Maybe the OEM sensors are only changeable once or just have more basic software loaded.

I dug my TPMS module details out from Xentry, I'm just checking if the module has any software updates as a long shot in case that would make any difference.



Checking that part number turned up some modules from late 2018 on Ebay with the same software version so I'd guess not.

Alternatively a long shot would be to swap the W212 TPMS module to a newer W213 one (if they're pin compatible) but there's a chance that then wouldn't talk correctly to the CAN Gateway.

Schrader seem to have a new EZ Sensor Go coming so not sure what that is (it says they're pre-programmed to work without needing coding to the majority of vehicles, W212 and W213 both included). Maybe they're just spitting out multiple encoding and sensor ID formats at the same time - it would be interesting to run rtl_433 with one of those new ones and see what it's actually doing.

You can see the different items here (with a Euro twist);

https://pontarlier.tpmseuroshop.com/2016/mercedes-benz/e-class-[w212].html
https://pontarlier.tpmseuroshop.com/2016/mercedes-benz/e-class-[w213].html

EZ Sensor Go material is here - https://www.schradersensors.com/en-g...s/ez-sensor-go

 

I had a dig around and it seems the 14/33 version is the latest for that module so no software updates available either (as of the last disk I checked anyway).

 

OK I should have had a look in Xentry first as the biggest clue was in there all along - it seems that yes you can monitor the current TPMS IDs, manually enter new ones etc, but there's a very definitive statement that the W212 ID must start with 0 which limits compatibility.

All mine start with 00 in hexadecimal (the W213 wheels I bought all start with a 5).

It seems it's a Mercedes software choice to enforce what sensors are compatible with the W212 range.

 

I chose to replace all my TPMS sensors with Autel ones (433MHz) and they work perfect so far. I got a good deal on the TS508K on Amazon, 8 sensors + the tool for 250$.
All that needed to be done was reading the old sensors ID's and copy them into new ones. Then take the wheels out out and remove the old, install the new making sure you follow the ID/wheel combo.
The only issue I had was the front left sensor stopped communicating one time when it was really cold out and I was stationary for a couple minutes (>10) but it started working again as soon as I started driving. Haven't had an issue since, it's been 8 months.
MB doesn't lock out aftermarket options, not on the W212 at least.

 

Thanks - I ordered some of the Autel MX Sensor 1 Sensors earlier actually from Amazon UK at less than £24 each which I can program with the pad to clone my existing IDs now I have them - the problem I've now got is that the 245/35/19 Goodyear F1 Assymetric 5s keep going out of stock on Costco UK who have them on a great price.

They do have the Eagle F1 Supersports on for a few pounds more - I just need to double check with them they'll fit the Autel sensors but getting through on the phone is challenging

$250 was a good price though, that same package was over £300 earlier on Amazon UK. I picked the Autel pad up from China for £40 so it seems to do the job.

 

They should fit, I thought they were smaller than the Schraeder ones which came out. They have a slimmer profile and are adjustable (angle of the valve to the sensor body). The only thing that annoyed me was the lack of padding on the part sitting on the rim. The old Schraeder ones had it. The Autel ones are way lighter compared to the old ones though so I guess the padding is not necessary.
I was looking on Amazon, they're 399$ now. They do go on sale from time to time. That's how I got my DS808 too. Waited and got a deal for 649$ instead of the regular 799$. It's been a good tool, it actually knows a few Vediamo variant coding tricks.
Good luck with your tires.

 

There are a lot to chew in this thread, but the bottom line is that for W212 MB uses Schrader as OEM, replacement part numbers are 28214 (for "earlier" W212/C207) and 20213 (for "later" W212/C207). These sensors are interchangeable.

For W213, however, MB uses Huf sensors as OEM (not Schrader), replacement p/n RDE077. Schrader also has a sensor for W213, but it is a different part number.

W212 sensor will not work on W213 and vice versa. However, with proper "tools" I guess anything is possible these days, however as stated above, out of the box, they are not compatible.

 

The Autel MX Sensor 1-Sensors turned up and they're great and work as either 315 or 433Mhz as needed.

As @Oda112 said previously just program them with the existing IDs and they instantly start broadcasting as the sensor specified in the Autel app. I didn't even have to open the boxes of the other 3 sensors as the signal is good enough from the pad to program through all the packaging and Amazon jiffy bags.

I had rtl_433 running and as soon as each sensor was programmed you see a burst of data emulating the Schrader sensors I had with the same IDs.

Even better is that even if the sensor they're emulating doesn't support battery info you just query them as MX sensors and they'll spit out loads more detailed info including what version of the app was used to generate them.

I got Goodyear F1 Assymetric 5 tyres ordered for the fronts yesterday, they're expected to come to the UK from Germany next Wednesday after which I can get the tyres and TPMS sensors fitted and then attempt to get the wheels on - I've brought 3mm H&R spacers as well just to make sure there's a bit of breathing space (if needed - if not they'll go in my toolbox for another project another day).

 

FWIW, my wheels on my 2014 came off of 2018 C43 (purchased with tires, TPMS, centercaps and tires) and they are working fine since 6 months already.

 

What does it have to do with the topic? And of course it works since W212 E and W205 C have identical OEM sensors. W213 E use different OEM sensors which are not compatible with W212, that was the topic of the thread.

 

K, I didn't know that. Thanks.

 

First stated in post #2.