Non ethanol fuel????
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When you will very likely get whole variety of opinions from forum members, read the manual, or better yet, get yourself familiar with https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevol...rt1.html#close who offers updates on regural bases.
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When you will very likely get whole variety of opinions from forum members, read the manual, or better yet, get yourself familiar with https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevol...rt1.html#close who offers updates on regural bases.
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And it will give you better gas mileage AND your MPG counter on the car will be very close to actual that you calculate from miles driven and gallons used.
And yes, it is way more expensive but I think these cars were originally designed to use non-ethanol fuel...
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I think it is nearly impossible to find non-alcohol fuel in most states. In my area, the only place that has it sells it as racing fuel. I don't need that in my car. Also, I wonder if non-alcohol fuel is old school leaded fuel, and if so, whether any engine today is designed to use leaded fuel long term. Or non-alcohol, non-leaded fuel long term, for that matter.
I don't know about the alcohol content standard in Europe... maybe someone there can help.
I don't know about the alcohol content standard in Europe... maybe someone there can help.
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So the more ethanol they use the cheaper the fuel since your tax dollars are paying for the ethanol....
Tis a good read about the history of this:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=why+is+eth...ne&t=h_&ia=web
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NOOOOOOOOOOoooo it was fuel you used in the 80's thru sometime after millenium after congress banned LEAD and before they gave subsidies for adding Ethanol
So the more ethanol they use the cheaper the fuel since your tax dollars are paying for the ethanol....
Tis a good read about the history of this:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=why+is+eth...ne&t=h_&ia=web
So the more ethanol they use the cheaper the fuel since your tax dollars are paying for the ethanol....
Tis a good read about the history of this:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=why+is+eth...ne&t=h_&ia=web
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Non-ethanol is still unleaded.
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Whether you are taxed indirectly (at the grocery store?) or at the pump probably varies by state. In Illinois, the government copes with a mass exodus of citizens by funding more and more of it's operation through gasoline taxes at the pump. On July 1st, Illinois doubled it's statewide gas tax from 19¢ to 38¢ per gallon, with Chicago area jurisdictions to charge up to 99¢ a gallon (about 40% of the total price per gallon). How much of that revenue is used to finance ethanol in the gas is open to question.
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Years ago I could read the site, who would tell the California fuel formulas. That was over 10 years ago, but even then gasoline was about 90% of what Californians pump. Than ethanol come to play and the site was closed down.
The same goes with car speed governors, limiting alcohol % on beers and probably thousands more.
The "free country" is well abused phrase.
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I will say this...
Without Government subsidies for Ethanol we would not see it at the pump and if we did it would cost about 50cent more per gallon.
Many links to articles about Ethanol in our fuel:
https://www.heritage.org/energy-econ...atment-ethanol
https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...n-the-way.html
https://axleaddict.com/misc/Pros-and...Ethanol-in-Gas
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/t...l-in-your-gas/
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-...age-engine.htm
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-...anol-facts.htm
https://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/04/...asoline-sales/
https://fee.org/articles/ethanol-is-...t-and-america/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...el-efficiency/
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publicati...-gain-or-drain
https://e360.yale.edu/features/the_c...or_environment
interesting reading on the internet on this subject....
No one good answer as there are too many questions...
Without Government subsidies for Ethanol we would not see it at the pump and if we did it would cost about 50cent more per gallon.
Many links to articles about Ethanol in our fuel:
https://www.heritage.org/energy-econ...atment-ethanol
https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...n-the-way.html
https://axleaddict.com/misc/Pros-and...Ethanol-in-Gas
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/t...l-in-your-gas/
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-...age-engine.htm
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-...anol-facts.htm
https://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/04/...asoline-sales/
https://fee.org/articles/ethanol-is-...t-and-america/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...el-efficiency/
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publicati...-gain-or-drain
https://e360.yale.edu/features/the_c...or_environment
interesting reading on the internet on this subject....
No one good answer as there are too many questions...
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I'm not sure I agree. Gasoline is Gasoline. Add 10% ethanol and the cost for actual gasoline per gallon decreases as long as the cost of petrol is more than the ethanol added. However, the cost of the ethanol has to come from somewhere. This means it necessarily becomes more expensive, either: 1) because (as you say) our tax dollars are subsidizing crops that make ethanol. This added expense is indirect, meaning you do't see it at the pump, but we all pay for it elswhere. Or, 2) the tax for ethanol is added at the pump because those who use gasoline rightly should pay the added expense.
Whether you are taxed indirectly (at the grocery store?) or at the pump probably varies by state. In Illinois, the government copes with a mass exodus of citizens by funding more and more of it's operation through gasoline taxes at the pump. On July 1st, Illinois doubled it's statewide gas tax from 19¢ to 38¢ per gallon, with Chicago area jurisdictions to charge up to 99¢ a gallon (about 40% of the total price per gallon). How much of that revenue is used to finance ethanol in the gas is open to question.
Whether you are taxed indirectly (at the grocery store?) or at the pump probably varies by state. In Illinois, the government copes with a mass exodus of citizens by funding more and more of it's operation through gasoline taxes at the pump. On July 1st, Illinois doubled it's statewide gas tax from 19¢ to 38¢ per gallon, with Chicago area jurisdictions to charge up to 99¢ a gallon (about 40% of the total price per gallon). How much of that revenue is used to finance ethanol in the gas is open to question.
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To add some edge to the dispute - Ken Block's 1400 HP Mustang runs on ethanol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=QQRlVNxNTzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=QQRlVNxNTzY
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Lots of ethanol discussion but I think the use of ethanol mixed in gas is for other reason than trying to make people burn alcohol in their cars. I think ethanol is used for octane booster. It is way cheaper than the other chemicals the oil companies need to use for that. Lead was cheapest but as we know it has been banned for a long time now.
Up to 10% ethanol in gas means they use about 10% for the highest octane and something less for lower octane.
If the drive was to get us all running on ethanol then there would be way more Flex Fuel cars on road and way more E85 available around.
But, why would oil companies push using ethanol as that is not their product? They pump oil from ground and that is what they want us to pump in our cars. Ethanol just came as a cheap alternative for octane control chemistry.
What comes to tax money being used for ethanol production...well, it fits in the picture as big oil gets their octane booster cheaper...
Up to 10% ethanol in gas means they use about 10% for the highest octane and something less for lower octane.
If the drive was to get us all running on ethanol then there would be way more Flex Fuel cars on road and way more E85 available around.
But, why would oil companies push using ethanol as that is not their product? They pump oil from ground and that is what they want us to pump in our cars. Ethanol just came as a cheap alternative for octane control chemistry.
What comes to tax money being used for ethanol production...well, it fits in the picture as big oil gets their octane booster cheaper...
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I think it is nearly impossible to find non-alcohol fuel in most states. In my area, the only place that has it sells it as racing fuel. I don't need that in my car. Also, I wonder if non-alcohol fuel is old school leaded fuel, and if so, whether any engine today is designed to use leaded fuel long term. Or non-alcohol, non-leaded fuel long term, for that matter.
I don't know about the alcohol content standard in Europe... maybe someone there can help.
I don't know about the alcohol content standard in Europe... maybe someone there can help.
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Non-ethanol gaa is just fine for our cars.
I try to find non-ethanol gas when I can. https://www.buyrealgas.com/
Ethanol will raise the octane of the mixture, so the non-ethanol in my area is 91 while the ethanol is 92/93 (for premium)
I try to find non-ethanol gas when I can. https://www.buyrealgas.com/
Ethanol will raise the octane of the mixture, so the non-ethanol in my area is 91 while the ethanol is 92/93 (for premium)
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Non-ethanol gas stations exist in every state from what I hear, even in California, where gasoline for decade is judged as "safe to throw lighted match in it".
Union 76 stations seem to be a leader in supplying different blends, what in California again, become issue when clean lakes found the regural gas in boats created too much pollution.
Point is that methanol-free gas cost like 30% more, at least in California and that before it makes to marina pumps, where prices double on triple without warning.
Union 76 stations seem to be a leader in supplying different blends, what in California again, become issue when clean lakes found the regural gas in boats created too much pollution.
Point is that methanol-free gas cost like 30% more, at least in California and that before it makes to marina pumps, where prices double on triple without warning.
