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Read to see if you may be able to participate in the settlement.

https://www.motor1.com/news/438975/d...settlement-us/

ccww

I can’t find anything online about what exact models are affected.

I have a VW TDI Cup Edition Jetta that was part of VW’s emissions recall. It got a new cat and ECU update. Took off a few MPG and definitely affected the torque curve too. Did get an excellent extended warranty and a cash payment though. I wonder if MB will be doing any modifications or extended warranty, can’t find any details on that either.

cadetdrivr

FWIW, this article mentions 250,000 vehicles so I expect it will cover all the Bluetecs in the USA considering MB sales volume. Looks like the details will be released next month after everything is formally signed.

kajtek1

This is all lawyer's mumbo-jumbo for me.
Can anybody translate it to English?

cadetdrivr

In the USA, Daimler finally settled with the US Government (and the class action lawsuits) concerning 'Dieselgate' just like VW and FCA.

We don't know the specifics of the settlement with MB but in the other cases the owners received various combinations of cash payments, engine modifications, buybacks, or extended warranties.

ccww

Much more information released (EPA): https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/daim...vil-settlement

ccww

Also, https://www.daimler.com/innovation/d...nt-diesel.html

Short version is that there are eight different classes of emissions modifications that will be installed depending on model.

E350 BTs will get a software update, new copper catalyst, new DOC, new DPF, new NOx sensor, and conversion of Lambda sensor to plug while E250 BTs will get all of the same and a new PM sensor.

If you get the emissions update you will eligible for up to $3,290 in compensation, reduced by $822.50 if former owners or lessees make a claim under unspecified conditions.

Owners who get the modification will receive "a broad extended warranty for vehicles once the [modification] is installed, covering all hardware or software affected by the [modification]." The term and scope of the extended warranty is currently unspecified. I hope that its similar to or better than VW's, which was about 50,000 miles and covering the entire emissions system and any engine problems detectible by the car's OBD.

Of course a big question is how the mods will effect drivability and fuel consumption. I'm sure that a good number of owners will get the mod, cash the check, and immediately get a tune. It will be interesting to see if tuners start offering tunes that simply return the cars to their original performance.

There are stiff financial penalties for Daimler if they fail to modify 85% of the Sprinters and 85% of the passenger vehicles on the road within two years. It will be interesting to see how they work to achieve this. I wonder if they may offer additional incentives beyond the $3,290 if they are falling short. I certainly hope that if you do not want the modification that you won't have to avoid the MB dealership to not have it forced onto your vehicle. The VW modification was strictly voluntary.

mfab

I was thinking about this. They must assume most folks with a 5-10+ year old car will want the $3300. I've got two, so $6600 for me. That's significant enough that I will go seek it out.

Maybe as the time limit approaches they will offer a larger incentive? Does it pay to wait?

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mellonc

you mean a large "incentive" for a trade-in, perhaps, for another MB?

kp1

No it does not pay to wait. The terms of the class action settlement are what they are. You should be given an opportunity to opt out and file your own cause of action, but you wouldn't see any advantage by doing that and you'd be out of pocket to sue. No one would take your individual case on a contingent fee basis - not enough value there.

mellonc

Anyone hear anything on this from MB USA?

mugootugoo

Crickets

listerone

I just found out about this and I had a qualifying car. The problem is I disposed of the car about 7 years ago so I only have proof of purchase,proof of ownership and proof of registration that might fall short of qualifying as "legal proof". It has occurred to me that that might even be part of MB's legal strategy...denying payments to those who cannot show a bill of sale (or lease),cannot show a state registration certificate or cannot show "legal" proof of having disposed of the vehicle (bought mine,new,in 2011.sold it in 2014).

Also,in the last few days I've been on the phone with the *very* unhelpful people at the law firm that's handling the case with *absolutely* nothing to show for the time I've spent. The lawyers will surely get their money but unless I'm mistaken I won't get mine. But I guess that's the way it usually is with lawyers (and huge corporations).

kajtek1

Did you get the letter listrone?
My friend got 5 letters for diesels who he no longer owns, so somebody keeps the records for us.
Here is internet filing https://secure.mbbluetecsettlement.com/

andyinraleigh

I dropped my car off 4 weeks ago to get the diesel recall work done. Initially there was a delay due to a bracket being not included in the recall kit the dealer got, and that was resolved. Then they took the car for a test spin and it dumped almost all the DEF due to a broken DEF injector. I was told they could not find any replacement part anywhere in the dealer service network, and that the soonest they would have one would be June 6th from Germany. Anyone else experience this problem with DEF injector availability?

1965 Beto

The dealer had my car for a month due to high demands on BLUETEC parts to be replace on so many diesel cars being recall (Mine E250) and they replaced a bunch of sensors, Cat, DPF, etc.
Now the car feels less powerful and the abrupt torque is gone

The good thing thou is that I will be getting some moolah from MB

andyinraleigh

That’s unfortunate about the power loss. Something I won’t look forward to when it’s done in June.

kajtek1

My E250 felt more powerful after AEM.
I am very technical, so analyze Placebo effect and I think the impression was due transmission reset, done during AEM who was making higher rpm changes than before.
It all smoothed out after about 50 miles.
Henderson NV dealer seems to have more mechanics than other locations, Not only I had 3 Blutecs done there on 2-day notices, but now they keep nagging me for bringing cars for more service.

1965 Beto

Well, my CEL came back up with same code prior to the recall fix P244B.

Arrie

Take your car to dyno and see how much power you have left of the amount that the car was advertised with. Then I would divide the car’s purchase price with the advertised power to get the $/hp value. Then multiply this with the hp you lost. That would be the absolute minimum payment from MB to compensate their fraud. Or I might just want them to buy the car back like VW had to do if customer so wanted to do.