A.D.S.MANN

I checked euro wheel sizes for w212 , specific e350 (268 hp) it says it comes with 16x45.5 et 7.5 j. Any one here can confirm that wheel size can fit US e350 .
I believe spec on e350 are same as European one in terms of front calipers and rotors

Left Coast Geek

afaik, only the smaller engine versions, like the E200 or whatever, come with the smaller rotors and calibers that fit the 16" wheels.

I believe the front rotors on my US model E350 4matic wagon are 322mm, and the E350 cars with the sport package have 344mm also have 322mm front disks that are drilled., even the earlier E350 with the older engine has 322mm brakes.

A E200 non sport has a 295mm disk.

(note, I'm getting these sizes off the Zimmernann catalog for their regular rotors, which are OE spec, as the Mercedes parts catalog is a less specific).

up_too_late

I haven't tried a 16", but I run a 17" in the winter and they barely clear the lower ball joints in the front. I found the website www.wheel-size.com to be useful when researching stock sizes. Attached are a couple of photos of my test fitting of 17"s that came off from an S class that I found on ebay.

Wadster

As shown in the pictures above, it's not the brake rotor diameter that you have to worry about. For winter, I mounted leftover 17" wheels from a 2008 W211 E350 on my 2012 E350 which came with 18" wheels. Everything looked like it fit until I saw the barely 1/4" clearance for the ball joint.

For a 16" wheel, it seems like some significant suspension re-engineering would be needed.

Left Coast Geek

thats about what my 2016 E350 'luxury' with 17's looks like. Note that not all wheels of a given bead size have the same inside diameter, I learned this the hard way with Volvos, where older model 15's would not fit on a newer model car that came with 15's, even though both had the same offset.

A.D.S.MANN

Hi, everyone, I found European website of Mercedes Benz configuration , check link
https://configurator.mercedes-benz-a...ransporter=car

I checked 16 inch wheels and you can automatic check with vin no. Whether our can use 16 inch or not. I tried random vins from CarGurus for e350 RWD upto 2015
as it comes with 322x22 front rotors and 16 inch can fit, but when I tried 4matic vins it says it doesn’t fit.

16 inch fits RWD W212 e350 and E250 up to 2015 with et45.5 or et 46.

now I am confused why it doesn’t allow for 4matic with same front brakes.

Wadster

I think you answered your own question. Think about what's involved with an all wheel drive system; all four wheels are driven so there's extra shafts going to the front wheels which clearly affects the suspension arrangement. Also, some very informative photos have been posted above where you can clearly see that the limiting factor is NOT the brake rotor but rather the ball joints.

A.D.S.MANN

Yup you are right , but I also tried vin from 2004 w220 s430 4matic which comes with 16 inch wheels , and 16 inch wheel on MB website doesn’t fit that vehicle with 16x8 et 46.
that’s where I am confused. I am getting 16 inch from w220 and will find out .

if curious. My car came with 18 AMG ,but currently running 17's ,going down for pothole protection and comfort. I had a 08 w204 with sport suspension came stock with staggered setup 225/45/17 and 245/40/17 and later I changed wheels to 17 x8 rial et 48 with 235/50/17 square. Ran like charm not rubbing.

Left Coast Geek

hmm. too bad that tire size only seems to come in load factor 96, and not the 99 XL's


wait, Kumho makes one! rated 100W XL
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireS...earDiameter=17

ah, but its not all season

A.D.S.MANN

I used 235/50/17 ohstu fp7000 96v before that I used continental and sumitomo in stock sizes.
but had very good experience with ohstu great grip in rain, I drove around 30k miles a year on highways.

A.D.S.MANN

yup , but we don’t have autobhans , cruising at 70-90 , 96 v does job good. For me I changed sizes because of comfort and easily available sizes even in small towns .if needed.
I drive around 35k a year . So it suits my needs . With Z rated tires it’s very difficult to find sizes in small towns. When on long drives.

Dingo L

My 2011 E250 Avantgarde is running 16 inches factory rims.
The clearance between brake components and rims of the front is just 5-6mm.

Wadster

Is your car 2WD or AWD?

Dingo L

2WD

Left Coast Geek

the W vs V vs H or whatever is the speed rating

the 96 vs 99 or whatever is the LOAD rating. these are /heavy/ cars, and specify XL (extended load) tires, hence the 99 for the 245/45R17

kajtek1

Back to original question, I did put 16" wheels from W211 on my W212 E250 Bluetec.
They do fit with acceptable offset difference.

Arrie

16” would not fit my W212 S550 in front. It has the big brakes.

Holson

Hi All

New here in W212 forums - looking to buy an S212 4Matic E350 Found a couple that are oddly also Tenorite Grey like my G550, one '15 Luxury one '16 Sport model

Question is: Will the 17" wheels from Luxury model fit on the Sport model? I drove a nice certified '16 E350 but I found the ride a bit harsh on the 18s and P Zero Nero AS tires. If I end up with the Sport (.vs. the Luxury) I'd love to put 17s and cushy grand touring tires on it.

Left Coast Geek

15, 16 are actually W212, not 213. 213 started with model year 2017.

the luxury car version has softer suspension in addition to the 17" wheels., while the sport model rides 1.5" or so lower on stiffer springs in addition to its 18" wheels.


the best ride is a luxury wagon, it took us months to find ours.

Holson

My bad! Mistyped, meant to say S212 wagons.

This is the luxury wagon I'll be checking out today: https://www.volvocarswalnutcreek.com...a6626cc514.htm - wish it was a '16 w/ the lighting package but the Lux package is rare as it is...

Left Coast Geek

we sure love ours. The 2016 also has an updated COMAND(stereo/nav) which can be coded to support Android Auto / Apple CarPlay natively.


Christmas Eve 2020, the day we recieved it, our virgin test drive, somewhere on the Big Sur coast.

Left Coast Geek

here's the data card codes for that one...
Vehicle identification number (VIN) WDD2122881B106909/ WDDHH8JB5FB106909
Vehicle model E 350 4MATIC BlueEFFICIENCY Wagon
Order number 0571405689
Production number 7699728
Production plant P0500
Shipment date 16.10.14

Code Designation Code type
02R 43.2 cm (17-inch) 5-spoke light-alloy wheels sales
108 No code designations currently available sales
10A No code designations currently available production
110A ARTICO man-made leather upholstery sales
111A No code designations currently available sales
1U2 Snow guard for air conditoning air intake sales
211 STEER CONTROL sales
212B No code designations currently available partsIdent
22P Lane tracking package sales
232 Garage door opener sales
234 Blind Spot Monitoring sales
235 Active Parking Assist with PARKTRONIC sales
249 Mirror package sales
258 COLLISION PREVENTION ASSIST PLUS sales
264 Licence plate for America sales
275 Memory package sales
279 Steering-wheel gearshift sales
287 EASY-PACK quickfold sales
291 Pelvisbags sales
294 Kneebag sales
297 Roller blind sales
301 Ashtray inserts with cigarette lighter in front and rear stowage compartments sales
309 Bottle holder sales
30A No code designations currently available production
342B No code designations currently available partsIdent
348 mbrace sales
35A No code designations currently available production
414 Panoramic sunroof sales
427 AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sport transmission production
428 DIRECT SELECT shift paddles sales
461 Instrument with mileage reading sales
475 Tyre pressure monitoring system sales
476 Lane keeping assist sales
485 DIRECT CONTROL suspension sales
494 US version sales
500 No code designations currently available sales
501 360° camera sales
502 3 years of free map updates sales
518 Media Interface cable kit sales
51U Roof liner fabric black sales
527 COMAND Online sales
536 Sirius satellite radio sales
543 Sun visors with illuminated vanity mirrors sales
551 Anti-theft alarm system (ATA) sales
580 THERMATIC automatic climate control sales
632 Partial-LED headlamps sales
634 Omission of first-aid kit sales
636 Omission of warning triangle sales
668 Prod. prot. f. freight pkging with tie-down hooks sales
690 Collapsible spare wheel sales
6P5 No code designations currently available sales
705L No code designations currently available sales
755U No code designations currently available sales
763 Radio remote control with panic switch sales
7XXL No code designations currently available sales
805 Technical modifications sales
810 Harman Kardon® Logic 7® surround sound system sales
844 folding bench seat in load compartment sales
871 Telefax unit in console between rear seats sales
873 heated seats sales
875 Windscreen washer system sales
889 KEYLESS-GO package sales
915 Fuel tank with an increased volume (80 litres) sales
919 Cooling capacity - booster package sales
955 ELEGANCE interior design sales
986 ID no. (US-VIN) sales
989 Identification label under windshield sales
A20 No code designations currently available production
A21 No code designations currently available production
A63 No code designations currently available production
A64 FE converter 0 mm production
A68 No code designations currently available production
A89 Friction-reduced production
A99 No code designations currently available production
B03 ECO start/stop function sales
B09 Refrigerant compressor with magnetic clutch sales
B12 Tyre-change tool kit sales
F212 No code designations currently available partsIdent
FS Crewbus partsIdent
G960 No code designations currently available partsIdent
GA No code designations currently available production
H14 high-gloss brown burr walnut wood trim sales
HA No code designations currently available partsIdent
J82 No code designations currently available production
J8A No code designations currently available production
K15 No code designations currently available sales
L No code designations currently available partsIdent
M005 4MATIC partsIdent
M276 No code designations currently available partsIdent
M35 No code designations currently available production
N2C No code designations currently available production
N5A No code designations currently available production
N5C No code designations currently available production
P09 Sun protection package sales
P44 Parking package sales
P49 Mirror package sales
R02 All season tyres sales
U10 Front passenger seat with weight sensor sales
U12 Velour floor mats sales
U71 No code designations currently available sales
U80 115 V socket in load area sales
V62 No code designations currently available sales
VL No code designations currently available partsIdent
VR No code designations currently available partsIdent

Holson

Thanks @Left Coast Geek ! Your 2016 wagon looks perfect with the ILS too. I am tempted to continue looking for one (ideally luxury wagon, MB Tex seats, 2016 MY with ILS) but the two available cars are pretty close

FYI here’s the Sport one
https://www.mbofsantarosa.com/invent...h8jb9gb329309/

Any insights on whether the 17s from the Luxury wagon would fit over the sport models brakes? If I go that route I figure it would soften the ride a bit

Left Coast Geek

yes, on the E350, the sport package has the exact same brakes, just with drilled rotors, which are an affectation in this applicaiton, in my opinion you willl get better brake wear replacing those drilled rotors with the non-drilled ones when its time to replace them

last fall the used car operation run by the Mazda dealer in San Rafael had a black wagon with a cream MBtext interior, no panormaic roof, LED headlights, sport package. its ride seemed better than the luxury sedan we test drove, but that could have been tires or something. the sport sedan had the worst ride (we drove two different ones), then the luxury sedan, then the sport wagon, and the luxury wagon was the best (bought out of state without a test drive!). 6 months and 6000 miles later, we're still TOTALLY happy with our wagon.

said out of state purchase was for a *perfect* 28000 mile CPO car from the dealer in Santa Fe NM. If it hadn't been for Covid we would have driven there to look at it, and brought it home. as it was, my wife was on the fence over it for nearly 2 months bugging the dealer with stupid questions. finally one night after a few beers I concocted a paper hotrod built from a 1991-92 Olds Custom Cruiser, in white, with an LT-1 crate motor, matching GM 8-speed auto, air suspension, custom leather interior, fresh paint and carpet, slightly larger alloy wheels, and figured I could build it for about $30K, which is about what we paid for the MB. proudly showed my paper tiger to my wife, next day she said LETS BUY THE BENZ. hahahahahahaha (her alcoholic dad drove big GM wagons when she was growing up, so she had a very strong distaste for them). I think it could have come out very nice, the air suspension offering a choice between 'soft' and 'performance' ride, etc. plus, it probably could have towed our ~4500 lb camp trailer

bzcat

Pretty sure that is not the case on the wagon. They are have the same suspension and ride height because they have the same rear air suspension. The front struts on US spec S212 is the same between Sport and Luxury. The only difference is 18" vs. 17" wheels.

On the sedan, I do believe the struts and ride height is different between Sport and Luxury. However, it is not 1.5" drop. Maybe 1.5 cm... barely any difference based on my observations.