brake replacement
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2013 e350
brake replacement
have a quick question please. On my E350 It has a torx type bolt you can see from outside. on all videos showing replacement ,none seem to have it.They all seem to have 2 x 18mm and 2 x7mm that need to be removed.I cant understand why on my 2013 there is torx bolts on wheel side of caliper any idea why mine seem to be different. On the videos showing E model 2007 to 2016 there is no big Torx even on the calipers.Any Idea why,Mine is not aftermarket or anything but bone stock. Thanks for any help!!!
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have a quick question please. On my E350 It has a torx type bolt you can see from outside. on all videos showing replacement ,none seem to have it.They all seem to have 2 x 18mm and 2 x7mm that need to be removed.I cant understand why on my 2013 there is torx bolts on wheel side of caliper any idea why mine seem to be different. On the videos showing E model 2007 to 2016 there is no big Torx even on the calipers.Any Idea why,Mine is not aftermarket or anything but bone stock. Thanks for any help!!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/19376402193...kaAjSFEALw_wcB
As far as I know, the bolts that need to be removed are on the other side of the caliper, say the engine side. Nothing to remove from the wheel side. Am I missing something?
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You mean calipers that look like this one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/19376402193...kaAjSFEALw_wcB
As far as I know, the bolts that need to be removed are on the other side of the caliper, say the engine side. Nothing to remove from the wheel side. Am I missing something?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/19376402193...kaAjSFEALw_wcB
As far as I know, the bolts that need to be removed are on the other side of the caliper, say the engine side. Nothing to remove from the wheel side. Am I missing something?
OP, post a picture of what your talking about. If your trying to remove the caliper to gain access to the pads... then the caliper hardware is on the inboard side (engine). For single piston, sliding, calipers, there are two hex-head bolts that need to be loosened to remove the caliper. Two lower bolts in image, they go thru a sliding bushing with rubber bellows... allows caliper to move with respect to caliper bracket.
For fixed calipers, like those on E550s, you don't need to remove the caliper to replace pads... only the pad pins and spring need to be removed.
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You mean calipers that look like this one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/19376402193...kaAjSFEALw_wcB
As far as I know, the bolts that need to be removed are on the other side of the caliper, say the engine side. Nothing to remove from the wheel side. Am I missing something?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/19376402193...kaAjSFEALw_wcB
As far as I know, the bolts that need to be removed are on the other side of the caliper, say the engine side. Nothing to remove from the wheel side. Am I missing something?
Wonder what kind of brakes my car has in front?
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E550 has fixed calipers up front, whereas E350 has floating... so they need to be removed or at least swung out of the way to access the pads.
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I did my 2013 US E350 brakes recently and I did not find them terribly difficult, although the rear rotors were so tough to get off that I left them on (still had plenty of meat) because the pounding would probably get the entire neighborhood up in arms. Next time I will have room to do it in a closed garage. NOTHING of this Earth can resist my "Hammer of Thor" mini-sledge even my old, wizened state.
I used TRW "ceramic" brake pads, and I am disappointed in them because the brake dust from them is black and just about as bad as the brake dust from the original MB brakes. In their favor, no squealing (might have been my careful installation, cleaning, lubing) and they seem to stop well.
The front Zimmerman rotors were good, no pulsing, seem to resist rust (the MB originals were rusty AF).
I used TRW "ceramic" brake pads, and I am disappointed in them because the brake dust from them is black and just about as bad as the brake dust from the original MB brakes. In their favor, no squealing (might have been my careful installation, cleaning, lubing) and they seem to stop well.
The front Zimmerman rotors were good, no pulsing, seem to resist rust (the MB originals were rusty AF).
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I did my 2013 US E350 brakes recently and I did not find them terribly difficult, although the rear rotors were so tough to get off that I left them on (still had plenty of meat) because the pounding would probably get the entire neighborhood up in arms. Next time I will have room to do it in a closed garage. NOTHING of this Earth can resist my "Hammer of Thor" mini-sledge even my old, wizened state.
I used TRW "ceramic" brake pads, and I am disappointed in them because the brake dust from them is black and just about as bad as the brake dust from the original MB brakes. In their favor, no squealing (might have been my careful installation, cleaning, lubing) and they seem to stop well.
The front Zimmerman rotors were good, no pulsing, seem to resist rust (the MB originals were rusty AF).
I used TRW "ceramic" brake pads, and I am disappointed in them because the brake dust from them is black and just about as bad as the brake dust from the original MB brakes. In their favor, no squealing (might have been my careful installation, cleaning, lubing) and they seem to stop well.
The front Zimmerman rotors were good, no pulsing, seem to resist rust (the MB originals were rusty AF).
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No…due to unfortunate past experience, pulling those the FIRST thing that I do. Glad that these are TORX. I drilled out many a Philips from 50k mile rear rotors on FWD cars after stripping them, even after using an impact (snowy, salty road areas).
i’m not the first person who finds these tough; there is at least one YouTube video that conveniently skips over this unpleasantness on W212 rear brakes.
i’m not the first person who finds these tough; there is at least one YouTube video that conveniently skips over this unpleasantness on W212 rear brakes.
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when i got the car for my wife brakes had been replaced at 36k miles. I am going to change pads and disc as they have the typical grooves in them that most mercedes I have looked at with oem pads have the grooves in them.If it was just pads thats easy.On all videos it seems to show the two sliders being removed from rear and then 2 bolts that are 18mm on back to remove bracket,I see in pic those two torx are retaining pins they only are to hold one pad in place.. THANKS FOR ALL HELP!!
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when i got the car for my wife brakes had been replaced at 36k miles. I am going to change pads and disc as they have the typical grooves in them that most mercedes I have looked at with oem pads have the grooves in them.If it was just pads thats easy.On all videos it seems to show the two sliders being removed from rear and then 2 bolts that are 18mm on back to remove bracket,I was wondering what the two large torx type bolts on outside of brake caliper are for when they are not in any of videos.I will find out as soon as I get ready to do them!! THANKS FOR ALL HELP!!
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Perhaps someone else with an early E350 can confirm this but my car certainly had front brakes like that. I thought they all do?
Perhaps MB changed this later. At least I heard from a German guy who said the cars shipped to US have smaller brakes than in Germany due to lower speeds and I guess less money they make with US cars.
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Am changing pads due to brake dust on the wheels, I havent decided which pads I'm going with but for sure NOT OEM! We have a lot of stop and go driving . Almost every Mercedes I see has grooves on stock rotors, even a friends s550 that had 20k on it.
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You mean you are going with MB pads; otherwise, they are either OEM or any brand. Mine are original pads whatever MB put on it (not a clue which OEM pad manufacturer supplies them). I have more dirt on my wheels than brake dust. What color are your wheels, light silver/gray? so brake dust is more visible perhaps
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@Arrie I have an '11 E350 and it has floating calipers in the front.
