Untracable Air Leak om651
Untracable Air Leak om651
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I have a high mileage,460k, w212 e250cdi that i use for a chauffeur service in Australia.
A few months ago driving home, i felt a lil bump from the engine resulting with lose of power eml and limp mode, could drive home but had to manually change gears.
Previously had the boost hose split with exact same symptoms and so thought it was that and could restart car and not load it enough to trigger limp mode.
That didn't work so took it to mech, scanned it and returned maf code and gearbox code.
Cleaned maf, no result, changed maf, not oem but vemio, no result.
Ill cut the story short and say that we're basically throwing darts, replaced maf, other intake sensor, egr valve/cooler, 1 intercooler hose, intake manifold and this week pcv cover.
Car idles fine with no noticeable different sounds though i did notice a different smell after the long drive in limp, dpf level was low at scan and new maf was recalibrated.
Basically have changed all know air leak problems the om651 can have and mech says all data is within specs when driven.
so if anyone has any idea of something left field that could be causing this leak or a similar solved scenario i would greatly appreciate the suggestions.
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I have a high mileage,460k, w212 e250cdi that i use for a chauffeur service in Australia.
A few months ago driving home, i felt a lil bump from the engine resulting with lose of power eml and limp mode, could drive home but had to manually change gears.
Previously had the boost hose split with exact same symptoms and so thought it was that and could restart car and not load it enough to trigger limp mode.
That didn't work so took it to mech, scanned it and returned maf code and gearbox code.
Cleaned maf, no result, changed maf, not oem but vemio, no result.
Ill cut the story short and say that we're basically throwing darts, replaced maf, other intake sensor, egr valve/cooler, 1 intercooler hose, intake manifold and this week pcv cover.
Car idles fine with no noticeable different sounds though i did notice a different smell after the long drive in limp, dpf level was low at scan and new maf was recalibrated.
Basically have changed all know air leak problems the om651 can have and mech says all data is within specs when driven.
so if anyone has any idea of something left field that could be causing this leak or a similar solved scenario i would greatly appreciate the suggestions.
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W212 MY'14 M276-3.5NA @75kMi
drafty air...
you're looking for an air leak on a half million mile diesel.
You've replaced many parts including the PCV cover only.
How are the compression test and cylinder inspection?
I don't suppose you want to invest a lot more parts before retiring this vehicle.... What happens if you feed it better oil viscosity?
Low mileage GDI engine respond remarkably well to it.

You've replaced many parts including the PCV cover only.
How are the compression test and cylinder inspection?
I don't suppose you want to invest a lot more parts before retiring this vehicle.... What happens if you feed it better oil viscosity?
Low mileage GDI engine respond remarkably well to it.

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Hi All
I have a high mileage,460k, w212 e250cdi that i use for a chauffeur service in Australia.
A few months ago driving home, i felt a lil bump from the engine resulting with lose of power eml and limp mode, could drive home but had to manually change gears.
Previously had the boost hose split with exact same symptoms and so thought it was that and could restart car and not load it enough to trigger limp mode.
That didn't work so took it to mech, scanned it and returned maf code and gearbox code.
Cleaned maf, no result, changed maf, not oem but vemio, no result.
Ill cut the story short and say that we're basically throwing darts, replaced maf, other intake sensor, egr valve/cooler, 1 intercooler hose, intake manifold and this week pcv cover.
Car idles fine with no noticeable different sounds though i did notice a different smell after the long drive in limp, dpf level was low at scan and new maf was recalibrated.
Basically have changed all know air leak problems the om651 can have and mech says all data is within specs when driven.
so if anyone has any idea of something left field that could be causing this leak or a similar solved scenario i would greatly appreciate the suggestions.
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I have a high mileage,460k, w212 e250cdi that i use for a chauffeur service in Australia.
A few months ago driving home, i felt a lil bump from the engine resulting with lose of power eml and limp mode, could drive home but had to manually change gears.
Previously had the boost hose split with exact same symptoms and so thought it was that and could restart car and not load it enough to trigger limp mode.
That didn't work so took it to mech, scanned it and returned maf code and gearbox code.
Cleaned maf, no result, changed maf, not oem but vemio, no result.
Ill cut the story short and say that we're basically throwing darts, replaced maf, other intake sensor, egr valve/cooler, 1 intercooler hose, intake manifold and this week pcv cover.
Car idles fine with no noticeable different sounds though i did notice a different smell after the long drive in limp, dpf level was low at scan and new maf was recalibrated.
Basically have changed all know air leak problems the om651 can have and mech says all data is within specs when driven.
so if anyone has any idea of something left field that could be causing this leak or a similar solved scenario i would greatly appreciate the suggestions.
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you're looking for an air leak on a half million mile diesel.
You've replaced many parts including the PCV cover only.
How are the compression test and cylinder inspection?
I don't suppose you want to invest a lot more parts before retiring this vehicle.... What happens if you feed it better oil viscosity?
Low mileage GDI engine respond remarkably well to it.

You've replaced many parts including the PCV cover only.
How are the compression test and cylinder inspection?
I don't suppose you want to invest a lot more parts before retiring this vehicle.... What happens if you feed it better oil viscosity?
Low mileage GDI engine respond remarkably well to it.

compression was and cylinder test were fine, though 1 injector had to be replaced after being removed.
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have previously replaced the temp senser on exhaust manifold but how would it E.M create a air leak code?
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If you can find a Xentry system, you can start an automated leak test from where throttle, EGR, MAF will be actuated in such a way as you may understand from where the leak is built
Also, sometimes at the air filter case, ECU on air filter cover or even the air filter can produce leakage
Sometimes, because of bolt loose, the EM can be bent and a space will appear at the back side.
If you can find a Xentry system, you can start an automated leak test from where throttle, EGR, MAF will be actuated in such a way as you may understand from where the leak is built
Also, sometimes at the air filter case, ECU on air filter cover or even the air filter can produce leakage
If you can find a Xentry system, you can start an automated leak test from where throttle, EGR, MAF will be actuated in such a way as you may understand from where the leak is built
Also, sometimes at the air filter case, ECU on air filter cover or even the air filter can produce leakage
Mech has 3 different scanners, not sure if xentry though.
Reg filter case etc thats before the Maf so should affect air reading!!!
you're looking for an air leak on a half million mile diesel.
You've replaced many parts including the PCV cover only.
How are the compression test and cylinder inspection?
I don't suppose you want to invest a lot more parts before retiring this vehicle.... What happens if you feed it better oil viscosity?
Low mileage GDI engine respond remarkably well to it.

You've replaced many parts including the PCV cover only.
How are the compression test and cylinder inspection?
I don't suppose you want to invest a lot more parts before retiring this vehicle.... What happens if you feed it better oil viscosity?
Low mileage GDI engine respond remarkably well to it.

i alternate oils between 5/30 and 5/40 through the seasons.
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Indeed, Air filter case, ECU sealing, is after the MAF and could affect the air readings
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Sorry, before....but calibration of MAF is related with the pressure sensor downstream of air filter, and this is related with the tightness of the air filter case. Sometimes ( rare and hard to do it...) the connector from sensor downstream of air filter can be misplaced with another one nearby.
Quick update,
Mech rang and is 95% sure that the turbos are the cause for the air leak!!
From what i could understand at the time, as the mech was quite excited so don't quote me, but they smoke tested the actual turbo and said there was smoke leaking into the engine when technically it shouldn't due to this particular failure.
Sorry bout the ****e description, but the mech also mentioned he has never seen this "scenario" before but is going to video the problem and the solution and i will upload hopefully end of next week.
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Mech rang and is 95% sure that the turbos are the cause for the air leak!!
From what i could understand at the time, as the mech was quite excited so don't quote me, but they smoke tested the actual turbo and said there was smoke leaking into the engine when technically it shouldn't due to this particular failure.
Sorry bout the ****e description, but the mech also mentioned he has never seen this "scenario" before but is going to video the problem and the solution and i will upload hopefully end of next week.
Cheers


