New E slow selling, dealers discounting, read this.....
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Lots of confusion and misinformation here. The E-Class is no different from the rest of the class, they ALL have 4-cylinders for base models.
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The E-Class is still leading the segment in sales.
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If these so called writers have a clue, they would know that the 2016 model is GONE, if that is what they actually meant.
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The sedan market is dying off anyways because of the SUV and Crossover that everyone wants now.
That said, MB did make a mistake by not offering a E400 in between the E300 and E43.
I suspect this will be corrected when the I6 engines arrive for 2019.
The new E-Class (2017) is actually selling very well according to the dealers in my area. For goodness sake can't we read the date on the article (May 2016) before posting it? The new E wasn't even out yet.
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The E-Class is still leading the segment in sales.
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If these so called writers have a clue, they would know that the 2016 model is GONE, if that is what they actually meant.
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The sedan market is dying off anyways because of the SUV and Crossover that everyone wants now.
That said, MB did make a mistake by not offering a E400 in between the E300 and E43.
I suspect this will be corrected when the I6 engines arrive for 2019.
The new E-Class (2017) is actually selling very well according to the dealers in my area. For goodness sake can't we read the date on the article (May 2016) before posting it? The new E wasn't even out yet.
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I tested the E300 as well, and decided to order another CLS550. The turbo 4 is "adequate" for average driving, but simply lacks the kind of performance I'd want in a 60-70K car. There is nothing wrong with having it as a base engine for people who don't care about performance. They really should have launched with both the E300 and E400. The E43 looks good on paper, but the torque numbers are just not there. And with an 80K sticker, that's very high, for a car that is only marginally more powerful than the outgoing E400.
The CLS500 may very well be the last of the mid-sized V8s outside of the AMG models for quite some time.
The CLS500 may very well be the last of the mid-sized V8s outside of the AMG models for quite some time.
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I tested the E300 as well, and decided to order another CLS550. The turbo 4 is "adequate" for average driving, but simply lacks the kind of performance I'd want in a 60-70K car. There is nothing wrong with having it as a base engine for people who don't care about performance. They really should have launched with both the E300 and E400. The E43 looks good on paper, but the torque numbers are just not there. And with an 80K sticker, that's very high, for a car that is only marginally more powerful than the outgoing E400.
The CLS500 may very well be the last of the mid-sized V8s outside of the AMG models for quite some time.
The CLS500 may very well be the last of the mid-sized V8s outside of the AMG models for quite some time.
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I might have gone for the Cls but don't like the lack of 3 passenger back seat. Buying a new car should be an exiting, fun experience. Mercedes is putting long time e class customers in terrible, awkward, uncomfortable position. Some will buy the new e300, only to be unhappy with power performance while others forced into expensive e43 with unwanted options. Regards. Ned.
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I would recommend that you take a test drive in a new E300 and use the sport mode. The horsepower is lower than the E212 but the torque (which really matters!) is exactly the same. I had a E300 loaner for 4 days and it was very impressive. Not as fast as my Carrera but equally as fast as my 2015 E350. Turbo charging of smaller displacement engines is the future of automotive powertrains and the E300 coupled with a 9 speed transmission is a very nice match. My old 944 Turbo only had 240 hp yet it was very powerful. Change is hard but you will eventually embrace it.
I had a 944 turbo back in the '80s as well. It did not weight in at almost 2 tons as the Benz's do.
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Now might be the time to mention that Offenhauser, 4 cylinder engines WON the Indianapolis 500 HOW many tines??? It's not the number of cylinders, it's what you do with them that counts.
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In a racer that weighs what? I had a motorcycle with a 2 cylinder engine that did 0-60 in 4 seconds, what does that prove. Regards. Ned.
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You have just proved my point. And, there were 12 and 16 cylinder auto engines that did not produce anywhere near the horsepower of a modern 4. As I said, it's not the number of cylinders, it's what they do with them. The new six cylinder SL450 I have on order will run circles around my eight cylinder 2004 SL500.
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You have just proved my point. And, there were 12 and 16 cylinder auto engines that did not produce anywhere near the horsepower of a modern 4. As I said, it's not the number of cylinders, it's what they do with them. The new six cylinder SL450 I have on order will run circles around my eight cylinder 2004 SL500.
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So felt and thought all the same issues being discussed here. Took delivery last month. Like another member said take a drive you will be pleasantly surprised what MB has been able to do to this engine. In E or C mode you will be ******* to get by anything quickly in the low end. But slam the paddle shifters and the gas pedal and away you go. For more fun put in sport + and wants to keep going and literally is so aggressive. At times I have had to take it out of sport + if the road is not clear for fun.
I will say gas mileage statement so far is not holding true. I know its early but getting the same in city as my w212 and I have seen 5 mpg improvement at hwy.
Lastly, cost is an issue. The pricing strategy is an issue with option packages and many will have sticker shock. So wait it out if you can.
I will say gas mileage statement so far is not holding true. I know its early but getting the same in city as my w212 and I have seen 5 mpg improvement at hwy.
Lastly, cost is an issue. The pricing strategy is an issue with option packages and many will have sticker shock. So wait it out if you can.
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The base models may all come with 4's but I wonder what percentage sell with those base engines. I know that I was appalled that the base engine in the new e was a 4, long time Mercedes owner, no interest, can't believe no 6 except in AMG light car for $80,000+ loaded. I've talked to a few salesman at a few dealerships and they really can't hide their displeasure no matter how hard they try to tell you how well the 4 performs. I want a 6 but without the potentially hard ride of the e43 with 19's and run flats for too much money. I'm not happy! Regards. Ned.
I'd drive an E43 before drawing any conclusions. It does have airmatic which should help.
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Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
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Yes, but......
Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
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Yes, but......
Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
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I have not driven the E300 yet, but reviews all seem quite positive, except for the engine. Less powerful than 3.5. Noisier than 3.5. No big gas mileage improvement.
Perception is reality? Once used in Mercedes ads. Are we "supposed" to think that 4-bangers aren't as good a 6 or 8 cylinders? Did Mercedes take this into consideration when deciding to introduce only the E300 model? The American market is critical to them, and looking at sales figures from goodcarbadcar.net, the E isn't doing that badly despite the article about 120 day turnover times.
Mercedes is the overall luxury brand leader. C class is segment leader. E sales look to have tailed off as E350 was phased out, and rebounded once E300 was available. Who knows what might happen if or when the E400 becomes available.
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I was referring to the AMG models. I would just LOVE to be able to order a W213 with the fabulous E550 V8, but I'm sure those days are over.
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Yes, but......
Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
Many of us insist on our 3-pointed star residing on TOP of the hood, where it belongs. We don't want an AMG Light, Heavy or Medium Rare. We want our sedans to arrive in Luxury trim, without oversized wheels and ridiculously low profile tires. We want our exhaust note muffled and our suspension compliant.
We grew up decades ago and put our "boy racer" inclinations out to pasture.
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I think they will re-shuffle the E-Class engine lineup when the new I6s come online for what looks like the 2019 model year. I would suspect there will be a E300, I6 E400, E55 (I6 also, 490hp) and of course the E63. This was from a supposed leaked document. The E400 is supposed to be a 367hp I6, the car most of you want here.
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After test driving one, I would never consider taking it on a two lane highway. The passing power is not there.
I acutely remember long waits while trying to pass a truck going 50 mph in a 70 mph zone while driving an under powered E 300 2.8 (W124). I'd drop back a bit until there was an apparent opening in oncoming traffic then floor it hoping to gain enough speed to pass before the opening closed. Those were exciting times I do not wish to repeat.
I acutely remember long waits while trying to pass a truck going 50 mph in a 70 mph zone while driving an under powered E 300 2.8 (W124). I'd drop back a bit until there was an apparent opening in oncoming traffic then floor it hoping to gain enough speed to pass before the opening closed. Those were exciting times I do not wish to repeat.
