Am I the only E300 owner who's extremely disappointed?
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1/ Turn ACC on.
2/ Start the wiper manually.
3/ When the wipers fully moved to the vertical position, turn off ACC.
4/ Lift the wipers off the windshield.
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I've had 2010 E350 (276 HP, I think) and 2014 E350 (302 HP). In normal driving the 2017 E300 2.0 turbo performs as well or better, period. How could you not know about new engine? It's all anyone is talking about, it's in every review,. and it's on the window sticker.
How could a "techie" not celebrate 60 CDs or more on a thumb drive vs only 6 in the clunky dash changer.
COMMAND is quirky, and far from perfect, but not all that different than it was in W212. The steering wheel thumb pads are helpful but take some getting used to. More than 150 miles.
Who buys a car without driving it? I agree. This doesn't sound like the whole story. I do hope he gets it resolved, but still...
How could a "techie" not celebrate 60 CDs or more on a thumb drive vs only 6 in the clunky dash changer.
COMMAND is quirky, and far from perfect, but not all that different than it was in W212. The steering wheel thumb pads are helpful but take some getting used to. More than 150 miles.
Who buys a car without driving it? I agree. This doesn't sound like the whole story. I do hope he gets it resolved, but still...
I don't get why anyone should complain about the thumb pads. I got the hang of it almost instantly during a 30 mile test drive, personally I think they're brilliant. A marked improvement over the previous button design. Being able to control the multimedia interface with the right thumbpad also gets a solid A. The new command which uses only one drop menu bar is also a wholesale improvement over having to figure out over choosing from top or bottom of the screen. Its still overwrought and cumbersome but better than before.
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I'm pretty sure they did that to improve aerodynamics and reduce wind noise from the wipers. My old BMW Z3 had the same wiper design where they would slightly hide under the hood.
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Picked mine up one week ago and I am very pleased with it. After coming out of a 2015 E350, the performance of the Turbo 4 and 9 speed transmission is very good. I cannot understand the negative comments from some. I enjoy a fast car and the E300 meets my needs.
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Its good to have choices!!!! All it takes is $$$$$ I have to laugh when people start complaining about price when the price of admission starts at more than 70K. There are wonderful fast cars that cost a lot less like STIs Mustangs Corvettes etc. If the AMG versions are too pricey, there are lots of cars to choose from! I don't think MB is losing to much sleep about how expensive their cars are. If the E 43 is too pricy there is always the C63 a "true" AMG for about the same price.
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You missed the point. Only if you buy a car from dealer inventory can you drive it prior to purchase. An "ordered from the factory" car must be bought before it is built.
Yes, I bought 3 cars every 4 or so years until I retired. Now I buy 2 cars when they reach ~50k miles or have serious maintenance issues. My daily driver is an '08 BMW 535i that just turned 50k miles. It will be replaced with a 2018 E400 (if available) or a 2018 BMW 540i.
Yes, I bought 3 cars every 4 or so years until I retired. Now I buy 2 cars when they reach ~50k miles or have serious maintenance issues. My daily driver is an '08 BMW 535i that just turned 50k miles. It will be replaced with a 2018 E400 (if available) or a 2018 BMW 540i.
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Entirely agree. If you crave a more potent version the E43 will serve you quite well, if track worthy performance is required, there is one for that too, the E63! Who can complain when the model goes from well powered to superbly powered to insanely powered Its good to have choices!!!! All it takes is $$$$$ I have to laugh when people start complaining about price when the price of admission starts at more than 70K. There are wonderful fast cars that cost a lot less like STIs Mustangs Corvettes etc. If the AMG versions are too pricey, there are lots of cars to choose from! I don't think MB is losing to much sleep about how expensive their cars are. If the E 43 is too pricy there is always the C63 a "true" AMG for about the same price.
Its good to have choices!!!! All it takes is $$$$$ I have to laugh when people start complaining about price when the price of admission starts at more than 70K. There are wonderful fast cars that cost a lot less like STIs Mustangs Corvettes etc. If the AMG versions are too pricey, there are lots of cars to choose from! I don't think MB is losing to much sleep about how expensive their cars are. If the E 43 is too pricy there is always the C63 a "true" AMG for about the same price.Code:
E300 E400 E43 245 HP 333 HP 401 HP 370 Nm 480 Nm 520 Nm 180 kW 245 kW 295 kW
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You missed the point. Only if you buy a car from dealer inventory can you drive it prior to purchase. An "ordered from the factory" car must be bought before it is built.
Yes, I bought 3 cars every 4 or so years until I retired. Now I buy 2 cars when they reach ~50k miles or have serious maintenance issues. My daily driver is an '08 BMW 535i that just turned 50k miles. It will be replaced with a 2018 E400 (if available) or a 2018 BMW 540i.
Yes, I bought 3 cars every 4 or so years until I retired. Now I buy 2 cars when they reach ~50k miles or have serious maintenance issues. My daily driver is an '08 BMW 535i that just turned 50k miles. It will be replaced with a 2018 E400 (if available) or a 2018 BMW 540i.
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That's fair, again, I'm a techie myself. I own a few different businesses which are centered around technology, so I like to think that I adapt to new technology really well. I've been fortunate to make a good living off of it. But, I know firsthand that technology can over complicate things, and I think that's at least part of the challenge here. Also, for the record, I've had the car for almost two months now, so it's not buyers remorse or an adjustment phase.
I don't mean any offense to anyone, but I'm also curious what "older" drivers might think of the car. I'm in my mid thirties, and again, I adapt well to technology. I could see some older and / or less tech savvy drivers having a whole new set of concerns.
I don't mean any offense to anyone, but I'm also curious what "older" drivers might think of the car. I'm in my mid thirties, and again, I adapt well to technology. I could see some older and / or less tech savvy drivers having a whole new set of concerns.
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There is a massive difference between not driving the actual car you end up purchasing because it was made to order and not driving an example of that car model before ordering one (which is what this thread was related to originally). You made it sound like you'd bought 50 different cars without ever sitting in an example of one first. Which to me, and most others, is considered to be a very, very, stupid thing to do.
Some times the vehicle is so new that none are in distribution. That was the case when I bought a GLE450 Coupe before the price was even set. There is nothing stupid about it unless you don't know how to negotiate a purchase contract with a repurchase clause. OTOH I don't complicate things with loans or leases. I pay cash for everything.
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Thanks for the info on the wipers, I did not know that other manufactures are doing it as well. Only had Benz's for the past 15 years..
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Most of those cars I purchased without taking a test drive. Instead I rely on the brand, specifications, derived attributes such as power-to-weight ratio and published test results and articles from Auto Bild, Motor Trend, etc.
Some times the vehicle is so new that none are in distribution. That was the case when I bought a GLE450 Coupe before the price was even set. There is nothing stupid about it unless you don't know how to negotiate a purchase contract with a repurchase clause. OTOH I don't complicate things with loans or leases. I pay cash for everything.
Some times the vehicle is so new that none are in distribution. That was the case when I bought a GLE450 Coupe before the price was even set. There is nothing stupid about it unless you don't know how to negotiate a purchase contract with a repurchase clause. OTOH I don't complicate things with loans or leases. I pay cash for everything.
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I agree that a car is a major purchase as with a house. However, I would never go into debt to purchase something I can't afford or pay for upfront.
Returning a car if I don't like it is why I negotiate a repurchase clause when I buy a car. Same with shoes. I avoid the "all sales final" mentality.
Your concerns about poor ergonomics, door openings, etc. can be discovered in the detailed specs of a car, not the marketing overview.
Browse through the W213 forum and see how many people bought an E43 before the first one was imported. I'm sure that their sales contract allowed them to reject the purchase if they didn't like the car when it was delivered.
Returning a car if I don't like it is why I negotiate a repurchase clause when I buy a car. Same with shoes. I avoid the "all sales final" mentality.
Your concerns about poor ergonomics, door openings, etc. can be discovered in the detailed specs of a car, not the marketing overview.
Browse through the W213 forum and see how many people bought an E43 before the first one was imported. I'm sure that their sales contract allowed them to reject the purchase if they didn't like the car when it was delivered.
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I agree that a car is a major purchase as with a house. However, I would never go into debt to purchase something I can't afford or pay for upfront.
Returning a car if I don't like it is why I negotiate a repurchase clause when I buy a car. Same with shoes. I avoid the "all sales final" mentality.
Your concerns about poor ergonomics, door openings, etc. can be discovered in the detailed specs of a car, not the marketing overview.
Browse through the W213 forum and see how many people bought an E43 before the first one was imported. I'm sure that their sales contract allowed them to reject the purchase if they didn't like the car when it was delivered.
Returning a car if I don't like it is why I negotiate a repurchase clause when I buy a car. Same with shoes. I avoid the "all sales final" mentality.
Your concerns about poor ergonomics, door openings, etc. can be discovered in the detailed specs of a car, not the marketing overview.
Browse through the W213 forum and see how many people bought an E43 before the first one was imported. I'm sure that their sales contract allowed them to reject the purchase if they didn't like the car when it was delivered.
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But I test drove the e300 before ordering an e43. Very similar car just more power and some other modest tweaks. I would agree that I would never buy a car before checking out basic ergonomics, there are so many other nuances that one discovers after purchase and that's enough! Regards. Ned.
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A techie that's looking for a 'CD player'? umm A techie that can't use streaming ? If the OP really hates the car then trade it in and stop whining.
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I can't fathom how someone can claim that they veered into another lane while changing a song because "it is truly distracting" (page 3 of this thread), especially when there are at least 3 possible ways to change songs/radio stations without ever taking your hands off the steering wheel.
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You missed the point. Only if you buy a car from dealer inventory can you drive it prior to purchase. An "ordered from the factory" car must be bought before it is built.
Yes, I bought 3 cars every 4 or so years until I retired. Now I buy 2 cars when they reach ~50k miles or have serious maintenance issues. My daily driver is an '08 BMW 535i that just turned 50k miles. It will be replaced with a 2018 E400 (if available) or a 2018 BMW 540i.
Yes, I bought 3 cars every 4 or so years until I retired. Now I buy 2 cars when they reach ~50k miles or have serious maintenance issues. My daily driver is an '08 BMW 535i that just turned 50k miles. It will be replaced with a 2018 E400 (if available) or a 2018 BMW 540i.
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I've ordered three cars...and in each case I was still able to drive them before I purchased them. One of them I actually did not buy as there were issues with the NAV system...I've never heard of an "ordered" car must be bought before it's built...I only needed to place the order and leave a refundable down payment on one...the other two I just placed the order.
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Disappointed you say?
I was in the technology industry for 20 years. One of the things I look for when I buy a car is technology. This is my 5th E Class over a 12 year span. When I get the car I tell the technology guy at the dealers how things work. I am not brilliant, but I am knowledgeable.
I want my car fully loaded but the dealer never has one on the lot. Special ordered the 2017 with everything but designo leather and upgraded stereo coming in just under $78k. Disappointment started on the first day. Several major systems did not function. How it got through factory, delivery Port and the dealer inspections was beyond me. 6 months later many systems still have problems and MB doesn't know how to fix them. It appears many of the systems were designed by a committee who did not talk to each other. Others I am sure were designed by some kids who should be graduating high school in a few years. Apparently MB does not understand user interface and ergonomic design. I thought I was buying flash and bang but instead I got smoke and mirrors. When I tell the voice command to "Navigate to home" it responds by giving me a choice of every city named "Rome" in the USA. Really!
Disappointed you say? Gross understatement. Can you say Chevy Cruze.
I want my car fully loaded but the dealer never has one on the lot. Special ordered the 2017 with everything but designo leather and upgraded stereo coming in just under $78k. Disappointment started on the first day. Several major systems did not function. How it got through factory, delivery Port and the dealer inspections was beyond me. 6 months later many systems still have problems and MB doesn't know how to fix them. It appears many of the systems were designed by a committee who did not talk to each other. Others I am sure were designed by some kids who should be graduating high school in a few years. Apparently MB does not understand user interface and ergonomic design. I thought I was buying flash and bang but instead I got smoke and mirrors. When I tell the voice command to "Navigate to home" it responds by giving me a choice of every city named "Rome" in the USA. Really!
Disappointed you say? Gross understatement. Can you say Chevy Cruze.
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I was in the technology industry for 20 years. One of the things I look for when I buy a car is technology. This is my 5th E Class over a 12 year span. When I get the car I tell the technology guy at the dealers how things work. I am not brilliant, but I am knowledgeable.
I want my car fully loaded but the dealer never has one on the lot. Special ordered the 2017 with everything but designo leather and upgraded stereo coming in just under $78k. Disappointment started on the first day. Several major systems did not function. How it got through factory, delivery Port and the dealer inspections was beyond me. 6 months later many systems still have problems and MB doesn't know how to fix them. It appears many of the systems were designed by a committee who did not talk to each other. Others I am sure were designed by some kids who should be graduating high school in a few years. Apparently MB does not understand user interface and ergonomic design. I thought I was buying flash and bang but instead I got smoke and mirrors. When I tell the voice command to "Navigate to home" it responds by giving me a choice of every city named "Rome" in the USA. Really!
Disappointed you say? Gross understatement. Can you say Chevy Cruze.
I want my car fully loaded but the dealer never has one on the lot. Special ordered the 2017 with everything but designo leather and upgraded stereo coming in just under $78k. Disappointment started on the first day. Several major systems did not function. How it got through factory, delivery Port and the dealer inspections was beyond me. 6 months later many systems still have problems and MB doesn't know how to fix them. It appears many of the systems were designed by a committee who did not talk to each other. Others I am sure were designed by some kids who should be graduating high school in a few years. Apparently MB does not understand user interface and ergonomic design. I thought I was buying flash and bang but instead I got smoke and mirrors. When I tell the voice command to "Navigate to home" it responds by giving me a choice of every city named "Rome" in the USA. Really!
Disappointed you say? Gross understatement. Can you say Chevy Cruze.
