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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 08:33 PM
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MBUSA JUST SCRAPPED 2019 E350 completely! They will just continue with E300 - this is just to reiterate my point point from the previous post! Read this: http://mbzmaster.com/important-updat...-sedan-lineup/
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Old Apr 27, 2018 | 08:39 PM
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MBUSA JUST SCRAPPED 2019 E350 completely! They will just continue with E300 - this is just to reiterate my point point from the previous post! Read this: http://mbzmaster.com/important-updat...-sedan-lineup/
That's nuts. I guess you can't count on anything with them until the car actually arrives at the dealership...
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Old Apr 28, 2018 | 07:30 AM
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Perhaps there are certification issues with the EPA, etc. for the new engine. Is that engine being imported in another model?
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Old Apr 29, 2018 | 02:33 PM
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Perhaps there are certification issues with the EPA, etc. for the new engine. Is that engine being imported in another model?
No I haven't seen this engine anywhere else, but I know a lot of dealers already had many orders... what a mess! LOL...
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Old Apr 30, 2018 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by storm10
MBUSA JUST SCRAPPED 2019 E350 completely! They will just continue with E300 - this is just to reiterate my point point from the previous post! Read this: http://mbzmaster.com/important-updat...-sedan-lineup/
Does this carry any implications for the E450?

I ordered a 2019 E450 Cabriolet just this past week. The 2019 order guide specifies 450 engine. I hope it is not cancelled as the 350 was cancelled.
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Old Apr 30, 2018 | 11:11 AM
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I would consider it to be "definitely" only when they say so... They could pass on it due to low expected sales, etc.
It's coming. The E43 has been more popular than the old E550 ever was so there is no way they're going to drop the E43 and not replace it with anything. They aren't saying anything about the E53 yet to protect the E43 sales that are in flight already and to sell off whatever inventory is out there. The E53 Coupe and Cabrio are coming, would be completely nuts to not have the E53 sedan also.

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Old Apr 30, 2018 | 11:17 AM
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Very simple: right now you can only order 2019 E-Class models: E350, 450 and 63's. You cannot order 53 yet, and there is no word from MBUSA to confirm anything. This article has a very logical and probable guess.. but not fact. Previous MBUSA CEO had a bright idea to move MBUSA headquarters from NJ to Georgia, wasted so much money on the move... and was fired subsequently. But most experienced people didn't want to move and left the company. So I think MBUSA has a lot of young and very inexperienced new blood... that running around and don't completely know what is going on. That's why so much mess with all the ordering guides providing old and incorrect info and right now everything has to be guessed... I've ordered a lot of cars, but I've never seen anything like that.

On another hand you have incredibly dumb government regulations that can easily stop any models from being sold... or require very costly modifications. For example, MB can't sell Multibeam Headlights systems in U.S... while the rest of the World enjoys the new technology since 2012. The reason is very tiny piece of law that was passed back in 60's (!) requiring that headlights must have manual switch for low and high beams... because at that time not every car had a switch... and also at that time nobody knew that computer can control the switching automatically. We are in 2018 right now and nothing has changed..

And what else can you expect? Recently I was watching how the Senate was drilling Mark Zuckerberg in Washington, and one of the senators asked him: "So what are you going to do about your Twitter?" or something like that... he doesn't even know the difference between Facebook and Twitter... so E53 has to be available logically... but as of right now it's not a fact - it's a guess.
Yeah I agree. The level of quality regarding how things are done at MBUSA has gone down considerably. How in the world do you put out an order guide for the E350 and then turn around and say you can't offer it? The car should be a done deal when the order guide goes out. If they sh the bed with the "53" models that'll mean that the coupe, sedan and cabrio. I can't see that happening.

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Old Apr 30, 2018 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
It's coming. The E43 has been more popular than the old E550 ever was so there is no way they're going to drop the E43 and not replace it with anything. They aren't saying anything about the E53 yet to protect the E43 sales that are in flight already and to sell off whatever inventory is out there. The E53 Coupe and Cabrio are coming, would be completely nuts to not have the E53 sedan also.

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The E53 sedan is coming to the US, but only next year (2019) according to two dealers that I asked. I learned not to trust any of this type of information, but at least it was consistent between two dealers. These dealers don't have any E43 cars, so they weren't trying to sell that.
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Old Apr 30, 2018 | 01:05 PM
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Does this carry any implications for the E450?

I ordered a 2019 E450 Cabriolet just this past week. The 2019 order guide specifies 450 engine. I hope it is not cancelled as the 350 was cancelled.
I'm not going to be surprised if they axe 450 as well... and just keep 400... Did you find out?
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Old Apr 30, 2018 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by storm10
I'm not going to be surprised if they axe 450 as well... and just keep 400... Did you find out?
Whoa. That 450 is a great compromise between the old 400 and the 43 not available in wagon in the US. It's the way I would lean for a nice balance between speed and comfort for a wagon. But then again, the inline six for 2020 (maybe) really has me wondering whether to wait another year. I have loved inlines ever since my old Bimmer M3 20 years ago.
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Old May 1, 2018 | 08:36 AM
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I'm not going to be surprised if they axe 450 as well... and just keep 400... Did you find out?
I wouldn’t be surprised either. MBZ Master replied to my question on this topic and stated that the 450 lives on as planned.
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Old May 1, 2018 | 08:51 AM
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The V6 will die soon enough.
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Old May 1, 2018 | 08:55 AM
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The V6 will die soon enough.
Straight 6s are taller and longer, and therefore pose a higher center of gravity and an increased weight bias towards the front of the car. For these reasons I prefer the V6 configuration.
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Old May 1, 2018 | 01:50 PM
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I wouldn’t be surprised either. MBZ Master replied to my question on this topic and stated that the 450 lives on as planned.
Yes, it looks like E450 will go on. I think they had problems with 4 cyl engine with EQ boost. It's just too much of an effort to squeeze over 300 hp out of this sucker.. I think it was too good to be true. I still think 4 cyl. E300 is a little under performing for this price range... I still think that C43 AMG is much better car and definitely better buy..
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Old May 1, 2018 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by storm10
Yes, it looks like E450 will go on. I think they had problems with 4 cyl engine with EQ boost. It's just too much of an effort to squeeze over 300 hp out of this sucker.. I think it was too good to be true. I still think 4 cyl. E300 is a little under performing for this price range... I still think that C43 AMG is much better car and definitely better buy..
The CLA 45 launched in 2013 as a 2014 model turns out 375 HP from this engine.
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Old May 6, 2018 | 03:46 PM
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The CLA 45 launched in 2013 as a 2014 model turns out 375 HP from this engine.
Yes, but 45 is a totally different animal - AMG - 1 man meticulous, measured hand-assembly... I just don't think it can be done on the regular conveyor...
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Old May 6, 2018 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by storm10
Yes, but 45 is a totally different animal - AMG - 1 man meticulous, measured hand-assembly... I just don't think it can be done on the regular conveyor...
Assembly line 300 HP is certainly doable from the 2 liter 4 banger.
If a similar ratio between AMG power and assembly line power for the v6 (396 vs 329) is maintained in the i4, one could expect 311 HP.

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There is no evidence of any issue with the new 4-cylinder. I mean it is on sale in Europe already.

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Originally Posted by visualguy
The E53 sedan is coming to the US, but only next year (2019) according to two dealers that I asked. I learned not to trust any of this type of information, but at least it was consistent between two dealers. These dealers don't have any E43 cars, so they weren't trying to sell that.
No, it looks like E53 AMG Sedan with straight 6 is coming this summer... unless MB USA will change their mind again:

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Old May 9, 2018 | 05:03 PM
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No, it looks like E53 AMG Sedan with straight 6 is coming this summer... unless MB USA will change their mind again:
Not sure if summer or fall... They're currently saying Q3, 2018, which could be as late as end of September for release. Regardless, I think this schedule took many dealers by surprise.

Still struggling with understanding how this car will compete with the BMW M550i... I wish they put a less powerful version of the E63S V8TT in the E53, and combined it with a more comfortable suspension than the E63S. That would be very appealing, at least in North America. What they're doing with the E53 seems to be targeted more at the European (and some other) markets where V8s are penalized.

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Old May 25, 2018 | 12:44 PM
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so our 2018 E400 Wagon is built. If the 2019 E450 is just a V6 with a tune we will go ahead with delivery but sign a shorter lease. Hopefully the M256 motor is available in the 2020 E450 (or whatever it ends up being called)

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Old May 25, 2018 | 03:14 PM
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so our 2018 E400 Wagon is built. If the 2019 E450 is just a V6 with a tune we will go ahead with delivery but sign a shorter lease. Hopefully the M256 motor is available in the 2020 E450 (or whatever it ends up being called)

any suggestions?
If you need the car soon, get the 2018 E400. If you can wait a bit longer, get the 2019 E450. I wouldn't get a less cost-effective 2-year lease just to get the inline-6 engine sooner. Not sure why some expect it to be such a big deal.
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So new E class line up to sum it up for 2019 will be E350, E450, E53 & E63? NO more E43 (YAY! not a fan of the faux AMG line up)
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So new E class line up to sum it up for 2019 will be E350, E450, E53 & E63? NO more E43 (YAY! not a fan of the faux AMG line up)
No E350, just the E300.
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Originally Posted by visualguy
If you need the car soon, get the 2018 E400. If you can wait a bit longer, get the 2019 E450. I wouldn't get a less cost-effective 2-year lease just to get the inline-6 engine sooner. Not sure why some expect it to be such a big deal.
The M256 engine (I-6) is a huge deal with 50 more hp than the V-6. It doesn't have the hp consuming belt driven accessories such as A/C compressor and water pump. It is also a mild hybrid with very high efficiency. That said, I wouldn't buy a first year model.
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