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Old 02-04-2019, 06:23 PM
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Actually this is not correct. There was 2015-16 W212 E400 which is a "competitor" to W213 2017-18 E400, as W212 2012-14 E550 (2010-11 just no the same V8) is to W213 2019 E450 (...yes it is, as per mbusa.com, E450 is quicker 0-60) and as W212 E350 is to W213 E300 (and again as per mbusa.com, E300 is quicker 0-60). Also 2019 W213 E450 is priced as 2014 W212 E550 TTV8 was or well above (by about $6K when similarly equipped) 2014 W212 E350.
Ah yes, my experience with the wagon (which I think only came in 212 350 and then 212 400) obfuscated my knowledge of the sedan (which presumably configured in all the editions you detailed). Thanks for clearing it up.
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Ah yes, my experience with the wagon (which I think only came in 212 350 and then 212 400) obfuscated my knowledge of the sedan (which presumably configured in all the editions you detailed). Thanks for clearing it up.
Well to be complete, there was a W212 diesel, E250, variant for which there's (yet) no W213 successor (in the US).
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:37 AM
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See, here is where you need to clarify so you don't flame bait folks.

It sounds like you're saying that the 212 E350 is stronger than the 213 E300, and that's presumably correctly. However, the actual competitor for the E350 is the 213 E 400 and E450. They are priced very similarly here in the states. Consequently, you're comment about feel, sound and power is going to ring hollow unless you specify your price point and model.

Now, as to looks and quality, you're clearly entitled to your own preferences. But you need to specify how so. Looks, you've offered the tail (which is admittedly rounded on the 213 sedan vs the 212). But your quality arguments sound like a bit of a cop out to validate why you don't want to or can't afford to upgrade. Witness the difference of the interior center consoles in particular from two stellar representations of the cars (and courtesy to Rod for his interior...note the blue key). That clumsy button layout always made me crazy...and the small NAV screen (though kudos to them in both cars for not stapling the display to the dash like in the C class and Audis). Also look at the window buttons, the door locks, the seat controls, the LED mood lighting, the smooth dash as opposed to the angular one, the vents, etc.

The W213


The W212


This is not to disparage the 212 in any way. I liked it a lot. However, times change. The 213 is just better.
The note about Rod's key seriously cracked me up!

As for the two generations of the E, there's simply no comparison in my opinion. The W212 was great in its day and highly desirable. The W213 has moved the needle on by quite some margin in pretty much every way, and that's fine - That's how it's supposed to be.
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:50 AM
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As for the two generations of the E, there's simply no comparison in my opinion. The W212 was great in its day and highly desirable. The W213 has moved the needle on by quite some margin in pretty much every way, and that's fine - That's how it's supposed to be.
Well said. Hopefully we've put this topic to bed.
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I love how we all can measure OPINION.
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I love how we all can measure OPINION.
You know what they say......opinions are like a$$holes, we all have one.
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Old 02-06-2019, 01:39 PM
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I love how we all can measure OPINION.
You picked the wrong thread if you were worried about reading one. Indeed, it's entitled, "the good, bad and the ugly (My option)" (sic, presumably)
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Good - Burmester sound is much better.
Ugly - No Spare, No CD player - When my 2014 wears out (2028?) I'll be buying a low mileage 2016 or an old BMW, Audi, or Genesis that has a spare tire.

Also, your problem with head lights is probably the lack of an LED option.
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Couple more good ones:
1. I put the vehicle in park (Eco mode), the engine shutoff because of Eco Start/Stop feature. I got out of the car and locked it as if I turned off the engine and it worked. Provided I tried it only once and couldn't take a video of that feature. You guys need to confirm it.
2. The annoying Eco Start/Stop is surprisingly better on these new models. It is not that bad compared to W212 where even in a bumper to bumper or while yielding traffic the engine stops.
3. W212's ECO S/S feature doesn't work when I put in park I guess (It has been more than 5 months I've used that feature - my Aux battery is not charged enough for that feature to work and I use my vehicle for short distances), but this one works.
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