2012 merc amg

They are around a year behind in their applications. They just recently listed the 2018s but same boost sensor on the 2019s.

2012 merc amg

Most dealers could care less unless there was a big warrantee claim like a turbo or other major issue which is rare. Still best off removing it when the car goes to the dealer for service every 10k miles although I don’t think most techs would even notice it if installed properly. Not that hard to change out unless you happen to have really big hands, kinda a tight area. But ya might just be easier to spend the extra 40k on the amg and have a far larger depreciation curve. It’s only money lol. For me the amg made no sense. You can only drive so fast in tons of traffic which is generally what I’m in.

rraisley

Same for me. Drove an E300, and admitted that I'd like more power. Drove an E450, and it will do anything and everything I ask of it, with a softer/better ride than the AMG. Even the 300 would do probably 90% of the time, but the 450 makes me feel good when I feel like it. I'm afraid the AMG would make me feel other things (poorer, gas-anxious, more flats, harsher ride, more tickets, etc.) :-)

2012 merc amg

I’m actually in a 2020 e300 sedan loaner and the turbo 4 is plenty powerful. When I think back to the 90s I use to drive big cadillacs with the 4.9 liter v8 that was rated at 200 hp and even that car felt snappy at the time. The e300 is I believe 255 hp and lighter than those big caddy’s were. It’s a darn nice car. Makes me wish I had got the white int rather than the brown on my wagon. Oh well. Maybe next car.

rraisley

I agree. If the 255hp engine were the only engine available, I'd have said "Okay, that's fine." I never really felt I needed much more. But I hated to answer the question of "What kind of engine is in your MB?" and answer a 4-cylinder. So, while I hated to pay the extra $5k, I thought I might go with it. Then, I decided on a wagon, and the decision was made for me. ;-)

threeMBs

2012, did you actually install Dinan's D440-0035 in one of your 2019 E450s?

2012 merc amg

The Dinan is great. Run it on my wagon. Knocks about a half second off 0 to 60. The 40 extra hp claim is believable. Lots more low end torque too. Easy install and removal but do keep in mind if the car is still under warranty and something major goes wrong with engine or trans and the ecm data goes back to Germany they may pickup the tune as boost is gonna show up as higher than stock. I figure the way these cars are over engineered very unlikely am gonna have any major issues. Mine stays in Race mode all the time and no issues or check engine lights after 5 k miles and 6 months. Nice to have full boost all the time as the drivability is so much better and you never know when a camaro SS or a mustang gt is gonna pull up next to you at a light. .

threeMBs

With Dinan in "Race" mode, do you feel extra punch when E450 is in "S"/"S+" only or in "C" as well? Did you try Dinan in "Sport+" (their default setting) mode and E450 in "S", if yes how was it vs. Dinan in "Race" mode and E450 in "C"?

2012 merc amg

Yes in all the car dynamic modes you will feel the extra power. I really have not used the other modes in the Dinan just leave it in race mode as I always run 93 octane fuel. It’s actually pretty amazing though as now comfort mode feels more like sport plus mode did. But if I need to get off the line real fast dynamic mode goes into sport plus as that way I’m starting out in first gear vs second gear. I have timed 0 to 60 in 4.1 seconds in sport plus mode dynamic. The car is very responsive now. On the cabriolet and coupes I don’t think the Dinan will work as good. I believe those cars have different tune profiles than the wagon and sedan with the 3.0 v6.

threeMBs

Why, don't all 450 Es use the same 362hp/369tq engine?

My understanding is that Dinan makes a single piggyback, one sensor unit, p/n D440-0035, to fit all MB 3.0L V6 BiTurbo 2015-2019 engines, which means it should work the same on all 3.0L V6 BT variants: 400, 450 and 43amg across all MB model lines. Just ordered it for my 43. My car is much heavier than your wagon so I do not expect the same improvement (an unbelievable 1sec 0-60 vs. MB's claim in your case, are you sure about that 4.1?), I will be happy with even 1/2 second 0-60 improvement.

2012 merc amg

I’d like to know what you think on the e43 with the Dinan. It’ll work on all the twin turbo 3.0s just for whatever reason couldn’t tell a difference on the E450 Cabriolet so I can’t even see running it on that car. On my wagon big difference. Yes they are both the 362 hp motor. But my understanding is from the factory every car is different. Some respond better others not so much.
my wagon is a very fast car. I really want to get it to the quarter mile track and butt Dyno tells me this car should be about a 12.8 second car with good DA. My Cabriolet probably like a 13.3 second car

threeMBs

Oh I've moved on from E450 to GLE43 a good while back. Since GLE43 is much heavier (by 700lbs or so) than E450 wagon (even though it has a bit more power from the factory, it is not enough to overcome significant weight "penalty"), any added safe performance manipulation is required, especially in C and S (no so much in S+).

2012 merc amg

It will be interesting to see how the Dinan works out for you. You have slightly larger turbo chargers with the GLE43 than the E450, thats one reason yours puts out a little more HP than the non amg wagon like I have. So that means maybe the turbos will handle the extra 4 lbs of boost even better. You should find that the turbos become much more lively and awake. Just to save you some hassle when you go to install the dinan, the clip that slides off the boost sensor has a white small sliding piece on top of it, you slide that back with your finger and when it is slid out you press down on it and then pull the connector off. Be careful in that tight area as it's easy to cut the back of you're hand if not careful. When connecting to the Dinan connector simply slide it in and then slide back in the top white lock. The directions were kind of unclear about releasing the locking clip and I know a lot of people were stuck trying to figure out how to slide out the connector as it remains locked in place if not released by this top locking mechanism. Also with the hood up put your keys far away from the car so the FOB does not wake up the ECM. I put the keys with the FOB in the house and wait 20 minutes or so just to be on the safe side to be assured the ECM does not wake up when you have the connector off. Do it right and you won't get any check engine lights and it should only take around ten minutes tops. One reason I just leave mine in Race all the time is due to the app not working very well, it is bluetooth and the distance from the dinan under the hood to the cell phone in the car is just a bit on the iffy side as far as range goes so it tends to fade in and out. To insure you are set at the proper setting you want you may have to get out of your car with the cell phone closer to the dinan unit. I think you will get your SUV down to at least 5 seconds 0 to 60 with the Dinan. If thats not enough, there is always this lol. Very tempting. https://www.weistec.com/w-3-turbo-upgrade-m276.html

threeMBs

2012, thanks for recommendation. So far, the best $250 I have ever spend on a car (and I have $pend $ome). I need to put more miles and play with it more, but while SPORT+ was an improvement over stock agree with you it should stay in RACE mode. Thanks!!!

2012 merc amg

Great, it is a very noticeable difference, just brings the turbos to life, even in comfort mode which is most where I drive my wagon. For the money can't beat it and it's safe, Dinan is a great company. Someone who is not good with their hands I dunno if I'd recommend it or maybe just have a independent shop install it. I use to be a Mechanic and owned a Garage for many years so i had no problems. I mentioned the clip because if that was taken off wrong like pried or something it could be a PITA to replace the connector.

threeMBs

Install on MB's 3.0L V6 BT(biturbo) engine was beyond easy. Sensor came off in one motion right away. Yes I knew how to remove these sensors clips - same sensors clips as on throttle pedal and I have installed SB in all my MBs in the last 8 years. Anyone can do it in few minus. By far most of the time was spent figuring out the best place for the box itself and waiting for all electronics to go to slip. Glad I came across your Dinan post as I was about to buy RaceChip(much messier installation due to three connectors and very long harnesses).

gearFX

Dinan tech support says that their D440-0035 (listed for E400 and E43 models) is only compatible through 2018 models, and not compatible with 2019+ E450 models. They do not have any plans or ETA for supporting the newer models. But 2012 merc amg, isn't your car a 2019?

2012 merc amg

They just take a while to update things, they only recently even listed the 2018's. Like I said in a post above that it's the same boost sensor in the 2019's. My car is a 2019 and 6 months and running no check engine lights or issues just leaving it in race mode. The different modes are kinda a gimmick anyhow, It's just a difference in boost pressure. Race adds 4 lbs boost and I believe Sport Plus is 3 lbs and sport is 2 lbs. Whats not to like about 4 extra PSI boost? It's not a huge difference but noticeable. Although Valet mode might be useful if you had a teen driving the car as it deducts 3 lbs of boost over stock making the car a real slug.

threeMBs

Dinan is reputable company specializing in BMW not in Mercedes (and like Renntech for Mercedes, Dinan tune is sold and installed by BMW dealers with full warranty). As such, until they actually test fit a model year, they will not publish recommendation(especially for the make they do not specialize in).

As far as I know, they make piggyback for only 3 MB engines: for 3.0L V6 BT (all 400, 450 and 43 2015-2019) p/n D440-0035 and for 2.4L I4T (the one in E300, among other 300/250 2.4L I4T, do not know if it will work in new '20 350 2.4L I4T) p/n D440-0034. These basic units are only $250.

They also make a much more expensive and much more complex unit only for C63/S (do not know if this specific engine is used in other models) and they provide 4/50 warranty for C63/S.

MB's 400/450/43 2015-2019 3.0L V6BT are all a bit different from the factory, but Dinan's D440-0035 fits them all. I was also unsure, but Dinan's rep told me that as long as turbo pressure sensor is identical, it should work. It certainly does. I felt an immediate and very noticeable improvement in my '19 GLE43 (identical engine to '18 listed on their site).

2012 merc amg

The warranty is a bit different for the Dinan piggy back tuner. It's is just one year for the unit itself but does not cover any consequential damage, but people have been using these since the 2015 C400's and had no problems as far as I can tell from all my research. Also according to the description of the Dinan it has Circuitry that detects software tuning and compensates for that accordingly.

gearFX

Interesting and good to know. Do the newer inline-6 engines happen to use the same pressure sensor as the V6 (suggesting the D440-0035 would work on those too)?

2012 merc amg

Good question. It might get the guys with the E53 inline 6s more power but no idea if they use the same boost sensor as on E450. Might be worth looking in a mb parts book though to find out or check with a mb parts dept. As far as all the hybrid stuff though that’s another question as far as would it conflict with that? Don’t really know the answer. I’m not that familiar with that technology. That’s one reason I didn’t buy one of those cars lol. Set in my ways.

Stephen513

Yes, the e450 is a better car overall, but that Jag XF Wagon is a DIFFERENT beast. You must take one for a spin.