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Old 05-14-2021, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JTK44
Hardly!

No actually I do get the point and perhaps you do not:

Mercedes sells less than 3,000 E class wagons per year - less than 1% of their sales.

Any other manufacturer would have long ago discontinued this model for lack of sales.

see: https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...25915-Vehicles

In the US, Mercedes SUV's outsell wagons almost 50 to one.

With this small volume of sales, be thankful for whatever E class wagon Mercedes offers!
I'm going to hazard you're quoting American numbers. Perhaps you could instead reference worldwide sales of Benz wagons? Europe might just surprise you.
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Originally Posted by JTK44
Hardly!

No actually I do get the point and perhaps you do not:

Mercedes sells less than 3,000 E class wagons per year - less than 1% of their sales.

Any other manufacturer would have long ago discontinued this model for lack of sales.

see: https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...25915-Vehicles

In the US, Mercedes SUV's outsell wagons almost 50 to one.

With this small volume of sales, be thankful for whatever E class wagon Mercedes offers!
I do think MB dropped the ball with this All Terrain concept, but maybe they knew what they were doing keeping the wagon over the years. E class wagon buyers have a higher median household income than the S class. For myself, I drove only BMWs for years, but they discontinued the 5 series wagon in the US, so I walked into a Mercedes dealership for the first time ever to look at wagons. Actually came home that time with a CLS, then the next year an E400 wagon, then after that an SL. So at least in my case, MB got a new customer for life because they continued to sell a 6 cylinder wagon in the US.
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Originally Posted by murman
I'm going to hazard you're quoting American numbers. Perhaps you could instead reference worldwide sales of Benz wagons? Europe might just surprise you.
From the article in the first sentence at the very beginning:

"ATLANTA--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported Q4 2020 sales of 78,078 Mercedes-Benz models. Additionally, Mercedes-Benz Vans recorded Q4 sales of 17,228, bringing MBUSA to a grand total of 95,306 vehicles for the quarter, a decrease of 8.9% over the comparable period last year. On a year-to-date basis, MBUSA recorded sales of 274,916 Mercedes-Benz passenger vehicles and 50,999 Vans. This brings MBUSA’s total year-to-date sales to 325,915 units, a decrease of 8.9% versus 2019."

I assume you know that most Mercedes SUV are not manufactured in Europe but in the US.



I also assume you know that most Mercedes wagons sold in Europe are A, B and C class. Very, very few are E Class wagons.
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Originally Posted by allfortheunion
. E class wagon buyers have a higher median household income than the S class.
Assuming this to be accurate, which I have no idea whether it is or is not, as my son would say the sample is so small, as to be meaningless.

There are less than 3,000 E Class wagons sold in the US.

There were over 16,000 S Class and derivatives sold in the US and over 20,000 GLS = over 36,000 or 12 times the number of S Class and S Class SUV than E Class wagons.
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I've never liked the station wagon concept. It is nothing more than a scaled down truck. My first exposure to a wagon was the '47 Ford wagon. It was almost identical to the'47 Ford panel truck. Things have not changed much. GM and Ford both produced trucks that were similar to the wagons they made. When I see a MB wagon, I think it is a disguised truck. The epitome of ugly! Ugh!
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In 2001 I bought a E 55. I still have it with 170,000 miles by the way.

In that year I think there were only 500 E 55s imported into the US. Fewer than the number of station wagons sold last year if I understand the numbers correctly.

My point being that just because the number of cars being imported are small it does not necessarily follow that the car should be discontinued.

Part of what I like about the wagon is not everyone has one.

Just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by e55phil
In 2001 I bought a E 55. I still have it with 170,000 miles by the way.

In that year I think there were only 500 E 55s imported into the US. Fewer than the number of station wagons sold last year if I understand the numbers correctly.

My point being that just because the number of cars being imported are small it does not necessarily follow that the car should be discontinued.

Part of what I like about the wagon is not everyone has one.

Just my two cents.
what determines if a car is discontinued is if it’s profitable. If a station wagon sells well in Europe and it costs a lot of money to convert. They have to determine if it’s profitable to modify the cars.
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what determines if a car is discontinued is if it’s profitable. If a station wagon sells well in Europe and it costs a lot of money to convert. They have to determine if it’s profitable to modify the cars.
Wagons (or the so-called Combi or Estate) in Europe are very popular. MB will continue to produce the wagon for that market I am sure.
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Originally Posted by e55phil
In 2001 I bought a E 55. I still have it with 170,000 miles by the way.

In that year I think there were only 500 E 55s imported into the US. Fewer than the number of station wagons sold last year if I understand the numbers correctly.

My point being that just because the number of cars being imported are small it does not necessarily follow that the car should be discontinued.

Part of what I like about the wagon is not everyone has one.

Just my two cents.
That's one of the reasons I like wagons as well (i.e., they're relatively rare in the U.S. other than perhaps the Subaru Outback). I used to be an SUV fancier (Jeeps, Land Rover, Range Rover), but then a friend in London picked me up at the airport in his diesel MB wagon and I was almost immediately smitten. The wagon seemed so much more of a car than any SUV I had driven, yet it offered almost as much cargo space as any of my SUV's and in general got better mileage. I felt more in touch with the road than I ever did in all my big SUV's. Plus, I just liked the fact that it was different from all the SUV's and crossovers that clog the streets of the U.S. When it came time to buy my next car, I remembered the MB wagon. That was a little pricey for me at the time, so I started with an Audi A4 Allroad, which I replaced with a newer A4 Allroad (the A6 hadn't yet been brought to th U.S.), and now the MB All Terrain. I suspect, as long as they keep getting imported to the U.S., I always be a wagon fan, and most likely a MB wagon fan. I'm not knocking SUV's or crossovers at all (I've had my share of them), but for me the wagon is the thing. Just say'n.
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I'm going to hazard you're quoting American numbers. Perhaps you could instead reference worldwide sales of Benz wagons? Europe might just surprise you.
It costs a lot to change a vehicle to another country’s standards. Yes, MB sells many times as many wagons in EU then it does in the US, but that does not prove that they will continue to sell it in the US. In fact, IIRC, in Europe there was an All Terrain and a regular version of the pre facelift E Wagon just like there is now, but both then and now the US only got one version. If it sells poorly in the US, no matter how well it does in Europe, they will axe it for the US market. Currently, they’ve kept it alive because generally it has been a vehicle that has kept the loyal fans loyal to MB (they like MB because of the wagon but while they’re at it get an S and a GLC and an AMG GT) but some suspect that the All Terrain will spell the end of the loyalty for some of those customers.

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