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WTF? Little annoying things bothering me with this car
This might be my last MB. Getting tired of little annoying things.
Purchased this 2018 E400 Coupe new in Dec 2017. Car currently has just under 17k miles.
Had battery already replaced at 14k miles.
Replaced both retracting seatbelts because they remained slack after returning to their position.
Recently had one of the motors that closes the trunk replaced because it was damaged. How did it get damaged? You got me. Nothing ever blocked the trunk from closing creating stress on the motor.
Latest issue has to do with the light in the door. Two months ago, the drivers side fell out because one of the clips broke. Why it should break is beyond me as we do not slam the door.
Went to wash the car today and upon opening the passenger side door, guess what falls out? Yes, the light at the bottom of the door.
Same issue as the drivers side door. Holding it in with tape until my 7/17 appointment which was already scheduled.
My 2016 Audi A6 has had no annoying issues such as this thus far.
OK, here is my list (2018 E63S)
-no more live maps - stops after 3 years. Apparently because MB switched to a new vendor - UNBELIEVABLE! (had to resort to CarPlay which I managed to make wireless)
-cannot change temperature to Celsius (US car). You can change distance to KM/H, but you can’t change temp to Celsius. Same problem with a 2012 C250 we had, but thought they would get around to fixing this obvious thing
- Auto start/stop (***) sometimes turns the car off completely (meaning you have to put the car in park, restart and then put back in to drive - all while people are honking at you). Apparently this is a known AMG issue. Going in for service next week
-much too harsh in comfort mode
-metal grate on top of the dash started rattling and vibrating (fixed with felt tape)
-overhead console also creaked and rattled (also fixed with felt tape)
-no 12V outlet in the front (other than USB). Installed my own in passenger footwell (where there is supposed to be one, but not in mine)
-gear selector where a normal car (including all our other ones) have the wiper stalk. Every time I get into my wife’s Q8 I start the wipers while “putting the car in reverse”.
Other than that it is the most fun on 4 wheels that I have ever had, and other than the *** issue and the minor rattles it has been trouble free, so I will probably get another one.
Similar to OP, after W213 I'm not going near a Mercedes again despite having driven them since I got my licence.
But to be perfectly fair, 2017 is the first year of production for c208, while 2016 A6 is nearing the end of its lifecycle after midlife facelift, it's natural that the latter has superior build quality in addition to the usual gap between Mercedes and Audi.
Similar to OP, after W213 I'm not going near a Mercedes again despite having driven them since I got my licence.
But to be perfectly fair, 2017 is the first year of production for c208, while 2016 A6 is nearing the end of its lifecycle after midlife facelift, it's natural that the latter has superior build quality in addition to the usual gap between Mercedes and Audi.
For the last decade (can't say anything about the latest gen w206 C class), most Mercedes cars below S Class are noticeably worse than equivalent Audi in terms of interior build quality. This is speaking from personal observation and can be somewhat corroborated by interior reviews on youtube.
I find the worst bits on w213 are the door panels, the entire centre console including the transmission bulge, the main wood trim, and the overhead console, (honourary mention for the fuel flap that doesn't sit flush with the surrounding panel), on mine and other new E class at the dealerships. Audis, at least the ones in the showrooms, are built like tanks compared to the squeaking mess on w213. 208 may be better on one or more aspects though, being a coupe and coming later.
I've had exactly the reverse! My factory ordered '18 E300 delivered in August 2018 has never had a rattle, a squeak or any other interior issues. I did an exhaustive pre-delivery inspection (check sheet posted in another thread). I bought an '19 Audi A7 Prestige and dumped it after 3 months due to continuing electrical failures, ... The actual build quality was pretty much average for a vehicle assembled in Germany. To be fair the '19 was the first year for a model redesign. I won't make that mistake again.
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
There is an old adage: "Never buy first year of production".
I originally ordered the First Edition of the new Ford Mustang MachE. For many reason I decided not to take delivery. Am I glad I canceled. If you go to their board, problem after problem with all parts of the car.
My 2019 E450 with 18,000 miles so far has been bullet proof. Best Mercedes I have every owned and this is either my 5th or 6th.
While my E has some rattles, mechanically/electrically it has been great. I need to find that picture of my Audi with its dash parts strewn out on the ground at the dealer (AC mold). I really liked that Audi, but it had SO many issues they bought it back without hesitation. Everyone's experience is different.
While my E has some rattles, mechanically/electrically it has been great. I need to find that picture of my Audi with its dash parts strewn out on the ground at the dealer (AC mold). I really liked that Audi, but it had SO many issues they bought it back without hesitation. Everyone's experience is different.
I have a 2017 E300. It’s been pretty reliable (knock on wood). My annoyances are designed into the car. 1) the expiration of live traffic with no renewal 2) the menus upon menus which make everything so complicated 3) the only navigation system I’ve seen which doesn’t allow you to see your route in list form so you have no idea how it’s taking you 4) when I drive the car after my wife, I have to stand out…sometimes in the cold and rain..and hold down the seat adjustment button until it’s far enough back to allow me in the car. Unlike most other cars, the seat adjustment doesn’t respond to the key fob and you can’t just press the seat button once, you have to hold it in continuously. Very dumb design, 5) the nav system sometimes provides hardly any warning about an upcoming turn. If you’re in the left lane of a freeway and driving 60 mph, it can tell you to exit a few seconds in advance which doesn’t work if there are two lanes of traffic to cross. I really wonder about the minds that go into these bad designs.
I've only owned one brand, BMW, that stored seat adjustment/profile settings in the FOB.
For the most part I skip the menus and use voice commands. It is quick and I do not have to take my eyes off the road.
IIRC one can see a list form of a route by checking for alternative routes.
IIRC navigation turns are generally announced a half mile in advance. Even in my very congested metro area where 6 to 8 lane roads are common I've never had difficulty making a turn or exit.
My real gripe with the car is that when I ordered the '18 model it was only available with the grossly under powered 4 cyl. engine. I won't drive it on trips because of its lack of passing ability - 45 mph to 65 mph. My trips are on predominately 2 lane roads where passing performance is a must. If you've ever been stuck behind a 35 mph logging truck for 15 miles, you know how important passing ability is. I kept my old BMW just for road trips until 2020 when I stopped traveling. I'll probably buy a non-MB car when the E300 warranty expires on its 4th birthday next month.
Porsche Cayman S, Mercedes W213, Nissan Titan, BMW X5, Chevrolet Suburban
Originally Posted by Tiburonsteve
I have a 2017 E300. It’s been pretty reliable (knock on wood). My annoyances are designed into the car. 1) the expiration of live traffic with no renewal 2) the menus upon menus which make everything so complicated 3) the only navigation system I’ve seen which doesn’t allow you to see your route in list form so you have no idea how it’s taking you 4) when I drive the car after my wife, I have to stand out…sometimes in the cold and rain..and hold down the seat adjustment button until it’s far enough back to allow me in the car. Unlike most other cars, the seat adjustment doesn’t respond to the key fob and you can’t just press the seat button once, you have to hold it in continuously. Very dumb design, 5) the nav system sometimes provides hardly any warning about an upcoming turn. If you’re in the left lane of a freeway and driving 60 mph, it can tell you to exit a few seconds in advance which doesn’t work if there are two lanes of traffic to cross. I really wonder about the minds that go into these bad designs.
The decision to just leave us hanging on live traffic is really disappointing. I don't do much city driving in mine but when I have appointments in the city it is really nice to have a good sense of what to expect and whether I need to re-reroute. When you're traveling more than 70 miles getting as much info as possible about traffic is essential.
Ua549-wish you were correct but you’re not—at least when it comes to my car and others of the same model/year I’m familiar with. I’ve had lots of other cars which store seat profiles including Infinitis and Porsches and Toyota/Lexus models. My car has very limited voice commands and requires frequent use of menus and it has no alternative route feature which allows you to see the route in list form. I already described the short notice of upcoming turns when using navigation. Perhaps your car is different but please don’t say it’s not happening on my e300 when i and many others experience such things all the time.
The last Asian car I owned was back in the 80's. My father, a disabled Marine - RIP, threatened to disown me if I ever bought another one for myself. I haven't and I won't. I've given Korean cars as gifts, but never been in one.
There also was a conflict with Germany as I recall.
Dad wasn't island hopping in Germany.
I'll stick with German vehicles because I've never had a bad one.
I can't say that about US designed/assembled vehicles. I've owned 2 lemon law US cars, a Jeep and a Buick.
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