Streamliner

At the time I owned the Rolls, I also had a 1986 560SL, a 1987 560SEC and a 1988 Honda Prelude—if you can believe it. I was so disappointed in the horrible “quality” of the RR, that based on this ad, I consulted my attorney as to whether or not a lawsuit might fly. He talked me out of it, saying “you really want to go after a CAR company with deep pockets?” He’s also my best friend from elementary school.

makiii

I to wanted to go after a dealer legally, for about $30,000.
here’s the way my attorney put to me
yes, you have a clear concise case you will probably win, will take about 6 to 8 months if we’re lucky a ton of your time and you should park the car until it’s all settled. So I’d have to get another car. And when it done you might get 10 grand the rest goes to me and court costs.
Great, had 2 kids in college, made too much for any kind of aid, and commuted 2 hours each way to work. So I’d win but loose.

happened again when relo company sold my house
you win but lose

Streamliner

Getting back to the original subject of this thread, I just checked the MBUSA website for CPO E450 Wagons and there are only THIRTEEN in the entire USA! Talk about “scarce!”

Hundens

I expect a lack of enthusiasm for the AT is causing individuals to go for CPO E 450s. I know I would.

allfortheunion

On Autotrader, if you eliminate the CPO requirement, this morning there are 34 E450 and 36 E400 wagons listed. Still not a lot, but a little more to choose from.

murman

1000% with you on that front. I can't imagine many people want the faux off-roader look.

e55phil

I have to stick up for the AT. Despite the issues I have had with the 48V battery I love the car. If I had the option to to not have the cladding I would opt out but after a while I do not notice it. I do like MBUX better than Comand. (I have mastered the steering wheel controls now) Just my 2 cents.

makiii

In regards to the cladding on the AT wish MB would offer a full paint option like Audi does on their Allroad

Streamliner

Well, if you are particular about how you want your wagon equipped, buying CPO, at least in my case, is just about impossible. I want Air Body Control, which is quite a rare option on the previous wagons. In addition, I would really like the Acoustic Comfort Pkg. and one of the better interiors, but absolutely do NOT want the Panorama Roof. I also won't consider a black wagon. And, I'm even willing to consider an AMG Line wagon, even though I much prefer the Luxury Trim. With the E450 Wagons being reasonably rare to begin with, finding one that meets my criteria really is difficult. But, I need a new vehicle, as MB is buying back my 2020 S560 due to rough shifting transmission issues, so as much as I hate to say it, I am considering an All Terrain.

I drove a new All Terrain the other day and it drives very nicely. Being an older guy, I like the additional vehicle height, as it makes it easier to get into. If I can get a dealer to commit to letting me order one without agreeing to a price over MSRP, I'll probably go for it.

Hundens

Stream you and I are exactly 180° apart on how we would select options. But it’s opinions that make markets. I just refuse to be stuffed and buy an all-road/all-terrain type vehicle. Maybe an RS6 Avant should be on your looking list.

You have to love Audi. They put on the cladding and then charge you $1000 to paint it.

The American subsidiaries of the European manufacturers are in an echo chamber. They just follow one another.

Streamliner

I have not driven the Audi wagon. Do they offer an air suspension?

fleuger99

I test drove it along with the MB E450 wagon. It comes standard with the air suspension. The ride and interior were nice but it failed in two areas for me and I bought my 2020 MB wagon instead. The interior cargo space was about 20% less than the E450 wagon and the rear seats when folded never sat flat, they were at about 35 degrees which further consumed usable space. I wanted flat seats for my two dogs. The Audi equipped the same as the MB wagon was a bit cheaper but it failed on the above requirements so I passed. I've also had not such great customer care from Audi a few years ago with a new A6 and that also swayed me away from Audi.

Streamliner

Yes. Just went to the Audi site. Nice wagon, but their glass roof is standard, which is a deal killer for me. I absolutely hate the glass roofs.

fleuger99

Agreed, I also didn't want one when I was looking to buy a 2020 E450 wagon back in Dec of 2020. There were about 100 new 2020's left in the country and none with the packages I wanted were without a pano roof so I had to get one. I didn't want a 2021 so had to settle with what was left. Here in Texas I have zero interest in a sunroof.

Hundens

As I said, to each his own. We have 284 days of sun here. In summer I close the shade, but in winter I open the shade. I never actually open the roof, that’s what the vert is for.

Elvisfan0108

Talk about shortages. What about convertibles?

makiii

Convertibles in comparison are a dime a dozen
MB USA web site: 142 E class - 400 & 450 standard & 4matic 2016 thru 2021
230 C class - 2017 thru 2021

Autotrader: 352 E class - 2016 thru 2021
605 C class - 2016 thru 2021
and they are considerably less expensive on both web sites.

Hundens

How does MB sell them without cladding !

Alan Smithee

I agree on the pano roof...I have been stuck with them on my last three SUVs, and have not used them. I have not seen a W213 wagon without one, but my 2022 order will have the standard sunroof. VERY pleased about that!

Considered the RS6 (originally ordered an E63), but it is too cramped for my two big dogs.

Elvisfan0108

Sorry, I was talking about convertibles in general, not just MB. There used to be many more options.

NorseWagon

Damn, I missed that one: The dealer is only 3 miles from my house.
No longer listed, what was the asking price?

TennesseeZ4

Memory says $69K range; CPO unit.

NorseWagon

Thx, must have sold fast. One of my buddies could use a wagon.

TennesseeZ4

CPO site shows seventeen E450 wagons at dealerships; there is one in Fort Pierce and another at Palm Beach. So your friend may have options!

NorseWagon

Ok, thanks.
Sent him the link for the white E-450 in Palm Beach.