I'm starting to look at 18+ E63s for a new daily driver. I am a long time Audi guy (S5,S6) and currently drive a Tesla Model 3 Peformance. While its blistering fast it's ungodly boring and numb.

I'm seeing a lot of 18+ E63s for 60-70k. Other than bad mileage, is there any faults with this car for someone who does 15,000 miles a year? I'm reading the transmission can be a little jerky?

I'm cross shopping a 19+ RS5 as well as a newer S6.

 

If you're looking to have a car with more personality but still daily drivable, then you should also consider an M5 and/or M5 comp. One of the last good looking BMWs in their lineup currently. Test drive that and the E63s and see what suits you better. Downside is that they will probably have an all-new design for the 5 series for MY24 (according to the spy shots it doesn't seem to feature the beaver teeth grill) but that will most likely also be the case for the E-Class.

Just my opinions, of course.

 

I did check out the new M5, its just so bland looking for me. I've driven a 5 series as well, it feels huge.

 

I wonder if that might be a result of when the car is in Sport Plus mode? My meagre 450 is really jumpy when it's in that mode, almost silly jumpy, and I typically avoid that setting as a result. Regular sport mode is sufficient when one needs/has to drive a little "peppier". YMMV, or course.

 

I second this^^^

Although my preference would be S+ mode, I am finding myself more in S mode due to this ehm frenetic mode called S+. It can be fun, if you love a car that is like a tightly wound up spring and ready to pounce... maybe sometimes, but not all the time, for me. I do use S+, but not often...


An E63S as a DD will be a ton of fun. Find a low miler (<50K) and see if you can get additional extended warranty up to 75K miles or 3 years... quite a few warranty providers abound... and grab one if you can find it...The E63S is truly the ultimate sport-lux car in the MB mainstream lineup. Not a fan of the M5/M5C nor the RS/S Audi... so may be a tad biased here.

 

Check our this thread for an idea of extended warranty pricing, and reach out when you have one in mind you'd like to see pricing for specialty tgibson@highline-autos.com or (855) 924-1333. Happy Hunting!

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...y-pricing.html

 

Looks like you are shopping in a couple of different segments. Not sure if you are specifically looking for AWD, but if you are cross shopping the RS5 and have owned an S5 before, you should also consider the C63/S. As a former Audi guy I can tell you that Audis are generally softer than AMGs. The current Audi S and RS models had become too soft for my taste. My last Audi was a '13 RS5 with that glorious high-revving V8 and dual clutch transmission. They don't make cars like that anymore. The R8, which lent the engine design to the RS5 is done as well.

The transmission is something that sets the V8 AMGs apart. Like a dual clutch it uses a wet clutch instead of a torque converter, which gives it a more responsive and direct feel and that can occasionally result in jerks if you don't modulate the throttle accordingly. Modern Audi S/RS models as well as BMW M models are easier to drive fast as the torque converter smooths things out, but it is also less engaging and more numb. Audi switching to the ZF8 with the B9 RS5 was partly why I switched to AMG.

Just like my RS5 before, I drive my C63S coupe mostly in manual mode (mine is a 2019 with the much better 9-speed MCT. I was not a fan of the older 7-speed MCT). It's just more fun, more engaging and you can control the shift points, ultimately making it more pleasant to drive. I have my Individual mode set up with most everything like S+, but the suspension a notch down in S and most importantly the transmission in M. So one button press on the steering wheel with the new AMG Drive Unit sets the car up exactly how I want it. I love the increased driver focus over the Audis. Audis were just always a bit conservative overall.

Since the reason you are looking for a change is how boring and numb the Model 3 is (not surprised at all BTW), you might find what you are looking for in an AMG. They are definitely not boring and numb, but I can't say the same about Audis.

EDIT: Just so you know, but you are technically in the wrong forum. We have separate forums for the AMG models here, because AMG models are really quite different from the regular Mercedes-Benz models. The W213 AMG forum is here: https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg-214/

 

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At 62, would daily the new Z06 and M4 CSL too as long as I keep the NM Residence. The trip to Vegas in those cars can be done in 8-hours even with that speed trap in Wickenberg and In-N-Out Burger Pit Stop. Don't have a garage yet at GA residence until Son graduates from Tech hopeful in 2026. Would also have to avoid the life sucking traffic/potholes in ATL, DC, and NYC. But 2023 Chevy and M4 CSL is not in $60K-$70K price range!!!

(Need to return to Japan Town in Bay Area for those delicious Soba Noodles where another Ex moved to the area 1987 for her first HP Gig, later moved to Detroit for Chrysler Gig before Government Bailouts...)

Edit:
For 2021 the AMG E63s 4matic+ was face lifted with a more compliant suspension in Comfort mode, more sedate exhaust note, upgraded MBUX, and different steering wheel. Some think the '19-'20 E63s had the better steering wheel than 2021 and 2023. 2018-2020 E63s, for $60K-$70K+ has the analog IWC clock that is desirable and I wished I had on my 2021.

The 2019 AMG C63s should be considered with its cheaper price tag than the heavier 2018+ E63s and more joyful RWD setup if that is your passion.

For $60K-$70K would also consider the 2019 BMW M850i xDrive with its 4.4 liter 523-hp TTV8. It basically looks the same as the current 2023 model that goes for nearly double that with options today.
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