Trans oil change? 2019 E class Wagon E450
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Trans oil change? 2019 E class Wagon E450
Thinking about changing the Trans oil soon on my 2019 E450 Wagon which currently has only 37K miles but of course is 5 years old. I think the call is for 60K miles, would it be a good idea just to do it now whereas the car is 5 years old? How much is the dealer getting approximately for a trans oil service? Anyone had it done recently? Hopefully it's not like my 2018 S class because that car was around 1300 dollars to change the trans oil. It is a fairly long process on that car so hopefully not the same on this car although probably is as both are 9 speed autos. Thanks.
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Sort of answered my own question. The kit with the fluid is around 500 dollars https://www.blauparts.com/mercedes-e...021-9-spd.html so I'd imagine after the dealers markup on parts and then the labor involved at this point it probably is 12 to 13 hundred dollars and it's probably not a bad idea for me to just get it done at this point. This car is a long term keeper. One reason the kit is so expensive is because it included the plastic oil pan which is suppose to be replaced with the service to avoid getting leaks.
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Thinking about changing the Trans oil soon on my 2019 E450 Wagon which currently has only 37K miles but of course is 5 years old. I think the call is for 60K miles, would it be a good idea just to do it now whereas the car is 5 years old? How much is the dealer getting approximately for a trans oil service? Anyone had it done recently? Hopefully it's not like my 2018 S class because that car was around 1300 dollars to change the trans oil. It is a fairly long process on that car so hopefully not the same on this car although probably is as both are 9 speed autos. Thanks.
I feel the recommended intervals for service are worse case scenarios: where the car is used in stop and go, or high speeds, etc.
Routine maintenance is very, very expense: Many items like filters, spark plugs and transmission fluids are mileage not age driven.
There I have answered your question: Mileage not age.
Just my $.02.
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Here in Oz, Mercedes states the 9gtronic service at 125,000km or 5 years whichever comes first.
vs the US which is 6 yrs/ 60000 miles.
It defies logic why the difference as Aus has ambient temperature range of 0’C to 45’C similar to SoCal, New Mexico or Arizona. OTOH car owners in Minnesota/ Wisconsin and New England probably operate at -10’C to 35’C. Either way there’s probably a minor engineering reason trumped by corporate greed to make more money from a service fitted within the 5 year warranty period.
vs the US which is 6 yrs/ 60000 miles.
It defies logic why the difference as Aus has ambient temperature range of 0’C to 45’C similar to SoCal, New Mexico or Arizona. OTOH car owners in Minnesota/ Wisconsin and New England probably operate at -10’C to 35’C. Either way there’s probably a minor engineering reason trumped by corporate greed to make more money from a service fitted within the 5 year warranty period.
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Sort of answered my own question. The kit with the fluid is around 500 dollars https://www.blauparts.com/mercedes-e...021-9-spd.html so I'd imagine after the dealers markup on parts and then the labor involved at this point it probably is 12 to 13 hundred dollars and it's probably not a bad idea for me to just get it done at this point. This car is a long term keeper. One reason the kit is so expensive is because it included the plastic oil pan which is suppose to be replaced with the service to avoid getting leaks.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...des-7252703707
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I figure my 2019 E450 Wagon is gonna hold it's value really well long term as it's a garage queen, I just detailed the car today and it's in practically like new condition so it's worth it to keep up to date with all the service. I checked the oil today (nice to have a dipstick on this car) and the oil looked a little more dirty than I thought for only 5K miles on the oil so I'll have the dealer do an oil change too along with the trans service.
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I figure my 2019 E450 Wagon is gonna hold it's value really well long term as it's a garage queen, I just detailed the car today and it's in practically like new condition so it's worth it to keep up to date with all the service. I checked the oil today (nice to have a dipstick on this car) and the oil looked a little more dirty than I thought for only 5K miles on the oil so I'll have the dealer do an oil change too along with the trans service.
Assuming standard options, 30,000 miles in excellent conditions, KBB.com has the trade in value between $37,000 and $40,000. With 20,000 miles between $38,000 to $41,000. Excluding taxes, that is depreciation in 5 years of over 50%. With sales tax nearly 60% in 5 years. Through in routine service, the cost of ownership is even more.
My 2019 E450 sedan has also depreciated over 50% in 5 years. I have an extended warranty and I too intend to keep mine.
But the simple fact is Mercedes Benz's do not hold their value. If you think otherwise, I am afraid when you come to sell and/or trade your car, you will be disappointed.
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When you say " my 2019 E450 Wagon is gonna hold it's value really well long term as it's a garage queen" everything is relative.
Assuming standard options, 30,000 miles in excellent conditions, KBB.com has the trade in value between $37,000 and $40,000. With 20,000 miles between $38,000 to $41,000. Excluding taxes, that is depreciation in 5 years of over 50%. With sales tax nearly 60% in 5 years. Through in routine service, the cost of ownership is even more.
My 2019 E450 sedan has also depreciated over 50% in 5 years. I have an extended warranty and I too intend to keep mine.
But the simple fact is Mercedes Benz's do not hold their value. If you think otherwise, I am afraid when you come to sell and/or trade your car, you will be disappointed.
Assuming standard options, 30,000 miles in excellent conditions, KBB.com has the trade in value between $37,000 and $40,000. With 20,000 miles between $38,000 to $41,000. Excluding taxes, that is depreciation in 5 years of over 50%. With sales tax nearly 60% in 5 years. Through in routine service, the cost of ownership is even more.
My 2019 E450 sedan has also depreciated over 50% in 5 years. I have an extended warranty and I too intend to keep mine.
But the simple fact is Mercedes Benz's do not hold their value. If you think otherwise, I am afraid when you come to sell and/or trade your car, you will be disappointed.
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Sort of answered my own question. The kit with the fluid is around 500 dollars https://www.blauparts.com/mercedes-e...021-9-spd.html so I'd imagine after the dealers markup on parts and then the labor involved at this point it probably is 12 to 13 hundred dollars and it's probably not a bad idea for me to just get it done at this point. This car is a long term keeper. One reason the kit is so expensive is because it included the plastic oil pan which is suppose to be replaced with the service to avoid getting leaks.
$500 for the genuine filter and genuine Mercedes fluid - https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...des-7252703707
$284 for the genuine filter but Liqui Moly fliud - https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...i-moly-22034kt
Your call. You can save your self $216 on the oil and filter. I know BMW guys who use Liqui Moly ATF oil in their manual cars and they run great.
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Thanks for the info, good info. Kinda what I thought that it would be worth doing a trans oil change at this point plus the car is in storage for the summers so when I put it to bed it'll have all nice clean fluids when I go back to driving the car next October. I do feel the car will hold it's value well in future year. It was the last of the non All road style which came along in 2021 to replace the wagons. I feel in the future as more and more of the regular non plastic clad wagons age and get in rougher shape the ones like mine that are like new are gonna command a premium. Either way I don't really care as the car to me is a long term keeper. I'll set up an appointment at the dealer to get the trans oil changed and the engine oil done.
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Thanks for the info, good info. Kinda what I thought that it would be worth doing a trans oil change at this point plus the car is in storage for the summers so when I put it to bed it'll have all nice clean fluids when I go back to driving the car next October. I do feel the car will hold it's value well in future year. It was the last of the non All road style which came along in 2021 to replace the wagons. I feel in the future as more and more of the regular non plastic clad wagons age and get in rougher shape the ones like mine that are like new are gonna command a premium. Either way I don't really care as the car to me is a long term keeper. I'll set up an appointment at the dealer to get the trans oil changed and the engine oil done.
Also, If i remember correctly, I purchased all the OEM fluid and filter my self from FCP euro the first time I had my tranny service done and an AMG Mercedes Service center in Burlington Massachusetts did the work for me, even though I bought all the stuff my self. It should also save you some money because they charge more than if you just bought the OEM fluid and parts your self. Just another tip if you want to save some $.
good luck!
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They said if it was OEM mercedes stuff they would. I believe they told me that they would not warranty the service though, but that was okay because my car was already out of warranty at 38,000 miles.
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I have an E400 2018 wagon that's just over 6 years old and with 35k miles. I think I'll get the transmission service kit from FCP Euro and have the transmission oil/filter changed by my indy. Does anyone know how much labor is involved?
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I just had it done on my 2018 E300 4Matic -- as part of the B7 service -- and I think over and above the service, it may have been about $1000. I don't remember. I will check the detailed invoice as soon as I get to my office. For some reason, I just remember them telling me about $1000. Will check though.
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When you say " my 2019 E450 Wagon is gonna hold it's value really well long term as it's a garage queen" everything is relative.
Assuming standard options, 30,000 miles in excellent conditions, KBB.com has the trade in value between $37,000 and $40,000. With 20,000 miles between $38,000 to $41,000. Excluding taxes, that is depreciation in 5 years of over 50%. With sales tax nearly 60% in 5 years. Through in routine service, the cost of ownership is even more.
My 2019 E450 sedan has also depreciated over 50% in 5 years. I have an extended warranty and I too intend to keep mine.
But the simple fact is Mercedes Benz's do not hold their value. If you think otherwise, I am afraid when you come to sell and/or trade your car, you will be disappointed.
Assuming standard options, 30,000 miles in excellent conditions, KBB.com has the trade in value between $37,000 and $40,000. With 20,000 miles between $38,000 to $41,000. Excluding taxes, that is depreciation in 5 years of over 50%. With sales tax nearly 60% in 5 years. Through in routine service, the cost of ownership is even more.
My 2019 E450 sedan has also depreciated over 50% in 5 years. I have an extended warranty and I too intend to keep mine.
But the simple fact is Mercedes Benz's do not hold their value. If you think otherwise, I am afraid when you come to sell and/or trade your car, you will be disappointed.
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So the so called myth that MB hold their value better than any other car is nothing more than that -- a myth. If that's the case, then it's the one-way street perhaps. I always look to buy 2-4 year old MB -- most often an E class or an ML, which is now the GLE. Yes, I look for CPO cars, yes, I look at dealers for the most part, and yes, I look to buy the extended manufacturer's warranty. I always find the prices "high" -- yes, relatively speaking, and IMO. I am sure this is dealer-driven, and premium priced. But that's the market -- at least that segment of the market. I guess where they don't hold their value...is when you try and trade it in or sell it to a dealer! LOL.
At one time Mercedes did hold their value:
My fathers first Mercedes was a 1968 280 3.5 coupe (four passenger) The cost was $12,850. At that time a Cadillac was $4500. Normal length of keeping a Cadillac was 3/4 year. Depreciation was about 50% over 4 years.
Fast forward 12 years and the 1978 Mercedes on trade brought $10,000. Total cost of ownership $2,850 plus service.
Back then Mercedes were built to last and service was not expensive.
3 Cadillacs, cost $13,500 less trade in value $8,000. Cost of ownership $5,000 plus service.
In the 1970's if you could afford a Mercedes the cost of ownership was less not more than a Cadillac.
When my father went to trade in his 12 year old Mercedes, he bought another that then cost $24,000. When it was time to trade in the 1980, 10 years later, he got $18,000 in trade.
Back then a Mercedes lasted 10 years with minimal service. Mercedes were over engineered and built to last.
Somewhere along the line all that changed: I think what happened and what destroyed the resale value of the Mercedes was that Mercedes became less reliable and the cost of parts and service went through the roof.
Consumer Reports confirms this: Mercedes once known for their longevity now have one of the highest maintenance costs of any car out there (excluding Aston Martin, Ferraris and English cars, etc.)
Just my $.02
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My '77 300D purchased new for $14,500 was traded for $9,500 on a new '88 Mazda 323 GT with a sticker price of ~$13,000. Eleven years of depreciation totaled $3,500. The Mazda 323 GT was a high end model with turbo 1.6 engine, AWD, 5 spd trans, electronic instruments, power windows & locks, A/C and high end entertainment system. A similarly equipped '77 model is currently selling for more than $6k. 36 year's depreciation is slightly more than 50%. I wish I still owned that car.
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A point of information:
At one time Mercedes did hold their value:
My fathers first Mercedes was a 1968 280 3.5 coupe (four passenger) The cost was $12,850. At that time a Cadillac was $4500. Normal length of keeping a Cadillac was 3/4 year. Depreciation was about 50% over 4 years.
Fast forward 12 years and the 1978 Mercedes on trade brought $10,000. Total cost of ownership $2,850 plus service.
Back then Mercedes were built to last and service was not expensive.
3 Cadillacs, cost $13,500 less trade in value $8,000. Cost of ownership $5,000 plus service.
In the 1970's if you could afford a Mercedes the cost of ownership was less not more than a Cadillac.
When my father went to trade in his 12 year old Mercedes, he bought another that then cost $24,000. When it was time to trade in the 1980, 10 years later, he got $18,000 in trade.
Back then a Mercedes lasted 10 years with minimal service. Mercedes were over engineered and built to last.
Somewhere along the line all that changed: I think what happened and what destroyed the resale value of the Mercedes was that Mercedes became less reliable and the cost of parts and service went through the roof.
Consumer Reports confirms this: Mercedes once known for their longevity now have one of the highest maintenance costs of any car out there (excluding Aston Martin, Ferraris and English cars, etc.)
Just my $.02
At one time Mercedes did hold their value:
My fathers first Mercedes was a 1968 280 3.5 coupe (four passenger) The cost was $12,850. At that time a Cadillac was $4500. Normal length of keeping a Cadillac was 3/4 year. Depreciation was about 50% over 4 years.
Fast forward 12 years and the 1978 Mercedes on trade brought $10,000. Total cost of ownership $2,850 plus service.
Back then Mercedes were built to last and service was not expensive.
3 Cadillacs, cost $13,500 less trade in value $8,000. Cost of ownership $5,000 plus service.
In the 1970's if you could afford a Mercedes the cost of ownership was less not more than a Cadillac.
When my father went to trade in his 12 year old Mercedes, he bought another that then cost $24,000. When it was time to trade in the 1980, 10 years later, he got $18,000 in trade.
Back then a Mercedes lasted 10 years with minimal service. Mercedes were over engineered and built to last.
Somewhere along the line all that changed: I think what happened and what destroyed the resale value of the Mercedes was that Mercedes became less reliable and the cost of parts and service went through the roof.
Consumer Reports confirms this: Mercedes once known for their longevity now have one of the highest maintenance costs of any car out there (excluding Aston Martin, Ferraris and English cars, etc.)
Just my $.02
However, the end result is that you sell into a market like this, you are going to get beat -- unless you sell to the end user -- and if you buy in the marketplace (from the dealer), you are going to get beat. Plain and simple. Sure, there are exceptions, but they ain't the norm, LOL. Without question, as demand went up, production went up, quality goes down, and the dominos fall. Couple that with the economics of raw materials, parts, labor, taxes, labor, and so on, and the dominos fall faster and harder. The cost of owning a MB is laughable compared to what it used to be. Plus, every service advisor is trained to upsell! Sorry, I couldn't help it, LOL.
I haven't owned one in a long time, Lexus, last time I had one, was doing it right. I don't know if they held their value, but they were getting market share and building loyalty. I think that's changed too. I haven't been a BMW customer since the early 90's so I don't know how that's going. Look, every MB, BMW, Lexus, etc. dealer -- when you are trying to buy one used from them -- will tell you they hold their value extremely well! As soon as you want to sell, they tell you how they drop in value beyond belief. I see tons of these cars selling in auctions after they are returned off leases.
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Here's a good video on Youtube I found for the 9G Tronic 725 MB transmission service. You can see the metal shavings gunk on the transmission pan magnets can get pretty thick.
2 Caveats - its from a C63s AMG so it must have worn down harder; and we dont know the mileage at which this service is being done. But good to see the process and the fluids.
2 Caveats - its from a C63s AMG so it must have worn down harder; and we dont know the mileage at which this service is being done. But good to see the process and the fluids.
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Here's a good video on Youtube I found for the 9G Tronic 725 MB transmission service. You can see the metal shavings gunk on the transmission pan magnets can get pretty thick.
2 Caveats - its from a C63s AMG so it must have worn down harder; and we dont know the mileage at which this service is being done. But good to see the process and the fluids.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/IX4eLhesxt0
2 Caveats - its from a C63s AMG so it must have worn down harder; and we dont know the mileage at which this service is being done. But good to see the process and the fluids.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/IX4eLhesxt0
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Got it done today at the mb dealer auto nation. They did a bg flush with low viscosity synthetic bg trans fluid. 800 dollars less than dropping the pan. If the car had higher mileage I wouldn’t have had it done this way. I figure around 80k miles I’ll have them drop and replace the trans pan and filter. Got a service A oil change too. 475 bucks for a service A not cheap. That was with a 50 dollar off coupon.
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I cannot help but think that each time you go for service your SA has a broad smile on his face. The A service at my dealer here on Long Island is an "Express Service" done in under an hour including a car wash: Cost $225 less 10% with an online coupon. My Indy dealer charges $150 for the same service (no car wash).
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Ex-race car moron here, brakes are cheaper than transmissions, etcetra. On my street cars, if it hits five years, regardless of mileage, I flush it and replace with new fluids. Fluid is cheaper than metal.
And regarding MB valuation, we only buy CPO allowing someone else to experience the initial depreciation, and enjoying the reduction in valuation, along with some decent warranty. Our R231 was a three year old vehicle with 15K miles, bought at less than 50% of MSRP. Our current S213 E450 wagon was an eighteen month old, 3,000 mile CPO where we paid just over 55% of MSRP. I don't care what it is worth today, as I intend to drive it until I can't. Our previous wagon was an E320 S210 that we kept for ten years, and put over 175,000 miles on. Used as a pickup truck for the last year or so, it met it's demise. That will not happen with the E450 as we have a Toyota Tacoma for that function.
Service? Is it cheap, nope. But functionality? Oh yeah. BTW, we had a 40K mile service done on a 2017 Honda Accord Hybrid, that was not cheap either.
And regarding MB valuation, we only buy CPO allowing someone else to experience the initial depreciation, and enjoying the reduction in valuation, along with some decent warranty. Our R231 was a three year old vehicle with 15K miles, bought at less than 50% of MSRP. Our current S213 E450 wagon was an eighteen month old, 3,000 mile CPO where we paid just over 55% of MSRP. I don't care what it is worth today, as I intend to drive it until I can't. Our previous wagon was an E320 S210 that we kept for ten years, and put over 175,000 miles on. Used as a pickup truck for the last year or so, it met it's demise. That will not happen with the E450 as we have a Toyota Tacoma for that function.
Service? Is it cheap, nope. But functionality? Oh yeah. BTW, we had a 40K mile service done on a 2017 Honda Accord Hybrid, that was not cheap either.
