All wheel drive advantages?




I guess we are both correct: the standard 18" wheel is the same size front and rear; The optional larger size wheels are staggered.
What I find interesting as compared to my 2019 E450, wheels, 245X45X18, the tires are now 225X55X18: These tires with a larger sidewall will ride smoother, be less prone to sidewall bubbles, have longer tread life, will be better in rain, sleet and snow and will be cheaper when they need to be replaced.
If you want performance, do not care about the ride, bubbles in the sidewall, shorter tread life or the cost of replacement then go for the larger wheel. (it is a given that wider tires with lower profile are worse in adverse weather conditions, rain, sleet and snow than narrower tires with higher profile)
Last edited by JTK44; Jun 25, 2024 at 06:50 PM.
There are base, performance and high performance models. Anything above the base model that improves performance changes the category. A six cylinder E450 model is a performance model compared to 4 banger E300. An AMG is a high performance model.








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Or you can look at interiors, there are MB Tex, leather and nappa leather. Despite three options, MB Tex probably makes up 90% of all E Class. Walk into any dealer and models on the floor - almost all will be MB Tex (and will have 18" wheels.)
Just looked at colors:
- Two non-metallic paints
- six metallic paints
- three manufaktur paints
In you doubt me go into any dealer and then post how many manufaktur colors you see on the dealer showroom floor. I bet the number you see is ZERO. I bet more than than 50% are either black or white: non-metallic paints!
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Or you can look at interiors, there are MB Tex, leather and nappa leather. Despite three options, MB Tex probably makes up 90% of all E Class. Walk into any dealer and models on the floor - almost all will be MB Tex (and will have 18" wheels.)
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Dealers order and take in what they can sell and price is very important. Dealers are not going to add options which only drives the price up. People coming into the dealer shop around and price is important. They do not want to hear that this car is $10K/$15K higher because of nappa leather, special paint or special tires!
One caveat: I live in the NY Metro area: there are over 10 Mercedes dealers within an hour drive. Each one of those dealers does a high volume. They compete against each other - mainly based on price and convenience - but less so because of online buying, where you never go into the dealership. They are in business because there is a high demand.
But if you live in area where demand is low and the next nearest dealer is a 3 hour drive away, things could be different. Of course if the next dealer is 3 hours away, the number of cars being sold is nothing like what the dealers in my area sell, so even they sell 1 or 2 "loaded models" it does not offset the 20/30 model E's each of the dealers in my area sell - which come standard with few options.
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The Best of Mercedes & AMG




Dealers order and take in what they can sell and price is very important. Dealers are not going to add options which only drives the price up. People coming into the dealer shop around and price is important. They do not want to hear that this car is $10K/$15K higher because of nappa leather, special paint or special tires!
One caveat: I live in the NY Metro area: there are over 10 Mercedes dealers within an hour drive. Each one of those dealers does a high volume. They compete against each other - mainly based on price and convenience - but less so because of online buying, where you never go into the dealership. They are in business because there is a high demand.
But if you live in area where demand is low and the next nearest dealer is a 3 hour drive away, things could be different. Of course if the next dealer is 3 hours away, the number of cars being sold is nothing like what the dealers in my area sell, so even they sell 1 or 2 "loaded models" it does not offset the 20/30 model E's each of the dealers in my area sell - which come standard with few options.
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So, yes, the existence of an option doesn't mean it's common in the US fleet.
The Mercedes is AWD, rear wheel bias. 95% of the time, a Mercedes AWD is in fact a Mercedes RWD. Only when the "computers" sense a loss of traction in the rear, does a portion of the power go to the front wheel. All other times, it is RWD.
I have a Ford Edge Sport that is AWD, front wheel bias.. It was also available in FWD. In my gauge cluster you can see when it is FWD and AWD. Today coming home on the LIE at 65 mph, it was 100% FWD. I gave it some gas to accelerate to 75 MPH. Still FWD. When I accelerate from a stop sign, it is 80% FWD and 20% RWD. But once I achieve my cruising speed it is 100% FWD.
The Mercedes AWD system works is basically the same manner.
AWD is a safety feature, unless one tracks their car, the advantage of AWD out weights the disadvantage.




AWD is a safety feature, unless one tracks their car, the advantage of AWD out weights the disadvantage.
- Sending 40%/50% to the front wheels all of the time would result in terrible gas mileage.
- If as you claim, 40%/50% of the power is sent to the front wheels, then tire wear would be more or less the same between front and rear. In fact that is not the case. The rear tires wear much, much faster than the front.
In the winter in Vermont in a parking lot covered with snow: as I back out it is rear wheel drive: if the rear wheels lose or start to lose tractions, the front wheels become engaged.
The simple fact is that the E Class is AWD, RWD biased, where 95% of the power goes to the rear and 5% to the front and when needed up to 50% is sent to the front.
4MATIC® All-Wheel Drive
With this system, 4MATIC® calculates the ideal torque distribution as you drive. Typically, this system sends power to the rear axle before distributing it forward when it detects you need the additional grip.see: https://www.mercedesbenzoftyler.com/...-does-it-work/
- 4MATIC® All-Wheel Drive- 4MATIC® takes things further by calculating the ideal torque distribution. This creates a seamless transition from all-wheel drive to 100% rear-wheel drive.
see: https://www.fjmercedes.com/what-is-m...l-wheel-drive/
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The marketing departments get creative by muddling two concepts when it comes to AWD. There are two characteristics that any AWD system adheres to. There's torque split and torque apportion. Torque split is how much of the torque the AWD mechanism forces to each axle under normal conditions. This is achieved by a bias in the center differential if present or partial engagement of the clutch that connects the second axle. Torque split determines how the car feels/handles when all wheels have about equal traction. So this is where front or rear biased comes into the picture. A front biased system will drive more like FWD and a rear biased system more like RWD.
EDIT: BTW, just to throw another twist on it. This is where AWD EVs fall short. In an AWD EV the two axles are not connected by any means. Each axle is driven by its own motor, so a single traction can never receive all the power/torque as there are no mechanical means to redirect the power from one motor to the opposite axle.
Torque apportion is what many people don't really understand. This applies when one axle loses traction. In this case every AWD system reacts essentially the same, but differs in the technical implementation. When one axle loses traction, then all or the majority of the torque flows to the other axle. You no longer care about torque split at that point as the flow of torque is a function of the available traction at each axle. This is where marketing departments embellish by claiming the system can send up to a 100% to each axle. Yes, that's true, but only if the other axle has zero traction.
4MATIC+ is capable of adjusting the torque split between 0/100 and 50/50 to actively distribute the driving torque, but depending on the available traction it can go all the way to 100/0 if the rear axle is on ice for example. A 50/50 torque split means that both axles are a 100% locked together, basically the center differential is fully locked, and in that case if one axle has zero traction, the other axle receives a 100% of the torque. That's just physics at that point and is the basis behind locking and limited slip differentials to send torque to the wheel(s) that can actually put it on the pavement. Similarly assuming 4MATIC has a 40/60 default split, if the rear axle loses traction all the torque will flow to the front axle and the effective torque split goes to 100/0.
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Every manufacturer is trying to achieve the highest CAFE numbers possible. The CAFE numbers will be highest when all power, under normal driving conditions is sent to either the front or rear axle. Splitting 40/60 will result in much lower CAFE numbers than 0/100, and under 90% of driving conditions with no appreciable improvement.
Simply no manufacturer who must comply with CAFE will create an AWD system that is 40/60 all of the time. (exotic cars and high performance cars excluded. Those manufacturers are willing to pay the fine for not meeting CAFE numbers and the CAFE fines are just passed on to the buyer in a higher price)
As I posted, the Mercedes AWD in the E Class is 0/100 or 5/95. When conditions warrant, power is diverted from the rear to the front wheel.
Audi's on the other hand can be had either FWD or AWD. Audi's quattro system is FWD biased. That is the simple reason in snow Audi's out perform Mercedes and BMW which are RWD biased.




Every manufacturer is trying to achieve the highest CAFE numbers possible. The CAFE numbers will be highest when all power, under normal driving conditions is sent to either the front or rear axle. Splitting 40/60 will result in much lower CAFE numbers than 0/100, and under 90% of driving conditions with no appreciable improvement.
Simply no manufacturer who must comply with CAFE will create an AWD system that is 40/60 all of the time. (exotic cars and high performance cars excluded. Those manufacturers are willing to pay the fine for not meeting CAFE numbers and the CAFE fines are just passed on to the buyer in a higher price)
As I posted, the Mercedes AWD in the E Class is 0/100 or 5/95. When conditions warrant, power is diverted from the rear to the front wheel.
Audi's on the other hand can be had either FWD or AWD. Audi's quattro system is FWD biased. That is the simple reason in snow Audi's out perform Mercedes and BMW which are RWD biased.
Audi also has another quattro system dubbed quattro ultra. It's similar to the Haldex system, but it can fully decouple the rear axle and the drive shaft to reduce losses when just cruising along and go a 100% FWD. It uses a dog clutch on the rear axle and a multi plate clutch in the front to achieve this, so the driveshaft actually stops spinning to further reduce losses. Their real world results show a 3% reduction in fuel consumption over the permanent 40/60 quattro system, so while AWD has higher losses than only driving a single axle, 3% reduction in fuel economy is not earth shattering, but it does matter to some people.
Last edited by superswiss; Jun 26, 2024 at 03:19 PM.
- Sending 40%/50% to the front wheels all of the time would result in terrible gas mileage.
- If as you claim, 40%/50% of the power is sent to the front wheels, then tire wear would be more or less the same between front and rear. In fact that is not the case. The rear tires wear much, much faster than the front.
The simple fact is that the E Class is AWD, RWD biased, where 95% of the power goes to the rear and 5% to the front and when needed up to 50% is sent to the front.
4MATIC® All-Wheel Drive
With this system, 4MATIC® calculates the ideal torque distribution as you drive. Typically, this system sends power to the rear axle before distributing it forward when it detects you need the additional grip.see: https://www.mercedesbenzoftyler.com/...-does-it-work/
- 4MATIC® All-Wheel Drive- 4MATIC® takes things further by calculating the ideal torque distribution. This creates a seamless transition from all-wheel drive to 100% rear-wheel drive.
https://www.mercedesbenzatlantasouth...l-wheel-drive/
The 4MATIC® Permanent All-Wheel-Drive System
True to its name, the 4MATIC® Permanent All-Wheel Drive system constantly powers all four axles with a fixed torque split, which noticeably and consistently improves traction, handling, overall ride, and safety. The 4MATIC® Permanent system can be found on the following vehicles:- E-Class Sedan
- S-Class Sedan
- C-Class Coupe
- CLS Coupe
- GLE SUV
- GLE Coupe
- GLS SUV




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