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Old Sep 25, 2024 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Billyismyname
This just tells you how stupid and ignorant you are.

1. Mercedes never used "nissan parts" in the M274. The M274 is a Mercedes designed engine. The M274 was used in Infinity automobiles. Where the heck are you getting Nissan from now? You're trying way too hard dude.
2. I have two S Classes, an E Class, a GT63, and i'm looking to buy a CLS63 AMG in a few months. I have a Mercedes ML, and a 2020 VW Passat in Europe. I literally don't care that it happened to me. I have other cars to drive every day of the week on two continents. I take apart my E300 engine for fun and put it back together. So even if my S class did blow up, I wouldn't be mad about it. It's life, sh*it happens. I also got mine covered under warranty and sold it, so I never lost any money on it. So don't care.
3. I had to use lower grade octane because 93 octane wasn't available you flaming moron.
- Since you don't know the english language and can't read, i'll explain it one more time to you. My E300 that blew up I used 93 octane always. It still blew up. My current E300 i put in all kinds of low grade fuel and sometimes even 91/89 and I have 140,000 miles. Still hasn't blown up.

You literally sound stupid by repeating your self. I would suggest you just quit. No one said your car is affected by the bad wrist pins, no one said your cars going to blow up. It was said that hundreds of M274's engines failed from 2015 and on. The thread got derailed by you believing your cars going to blow up, which it more than likely won't.

Also another FYI - Using 89/91 octane won't destroy your engine over time. If your cars NOx sensors/ECU detects that you are using lower octane, your car will change the timing to compensate the lower fuel octane you put in to prevent pre-detonation. That in return will cause your engine to run less efficiently and lose some power.

If that didn't make sense let me explain it even further: It won't blow your engine.

If that doesn't make sense then go get your head checked.

You are dismissed, clown.
If you think that using 89 octane is okay for a DI Mercedes engine- than I got some offshore real estate to sell you.

I never said they would blow up using bad gas lol!! Just a slow death.

GO bother someone else, you imbecile!
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If you think that using 89 octane is okay for a DI Mercedes engine- than I got some offshore real estate to sell you.

I never said they would blow up using bad gas lol!! Just a slow death.

GO bother someone else, you imbecile!
I really think you should Google how modern car engines work.

This is the second time i've ever put 89 in my Benz. I'm just telling you that It won't blow your car up. As I said before I don't think my brother ever put 93 octane in his E300 once. HIs car is at 130,000 miles. Still running like new. So not sure what drugs you're smoking but I would really like some of it.

And only reason i put in 89 octane is because I had to drive through Vermont. If you did drive through that state you would know there aren't many gas stations on the highways. The gas station I went to didn't have any 93 and the nozzle for 91 wasn't working for some reason, so I had only 89 and about 20 miles left of gas range, so I couldn't drive to another gas station.

FYI the gas cap also tells you that you can put in 91 if you didn't know. So you can use "bad gas" like you say (btw it's not "bad gas", it's just lower octane. I thought I sounded like an immigrant/foreigner but you really take the cake on that one).



You're also being laughed at by Mercedes technicians.


I'm too tired to converse with you anymore. I've literally lost brain cells. I am going to end this here, and unsubscribe from this thread to put everyone out of their misery. For the last time have a great night, thank you for the laughs and for making all of us more stupid. Cheers.



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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 08:06 AM
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In the state of Vermont, the gas grades are 87, 89, 93 octanes, there is no 91 octanes, I used to mix 93 and 87 octanes but it's too much work.

Modern day engines do have an electronic timing system for lower octane gas, but using lower octane gas consistently will eventually carbon up the engine. This is not an issue if you take apart the intake manifold and clean the carbon every 20K miles but that could get expensive if you are not a DIYer/
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Depending on the station, the octanes offered in Florida are 87, 89, 91, 93 and 94 (Sunoco).
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In the state of Vermont, the gas grades are 87, 89, 93 octanes, there is no 91 octanes, I used to mix 93 and 87 octanes but it's too much work.

Modern day engines do have an electronic timing system for lower octane gas, but using lower octane gas consistently will eventually carbon up the engine. This is not an issue if you take apart the intake manifold and clean the carbon every 20K miles but that could get expensive if you are not a DIYer/
there are a few gas stations near the I-89 route that do have 91, but very rare. I usually either stop to get 91 or 93. But neither worked, so 87 it was.

as for your carbon statement, that’s all true, but you’ll get carbon with 93 and higher octane fuels as well. I’ve already cleaned my intake valves twice. Used to clean carbon from customers engines all the time. It’s just the nature of the DI engines.

using 93 consistently I saw carbon build up at 20,000 miles after cleaning it. but the point is it won’t blow up the motor. Massimo thinks that using lower grade fuel somehow attributes to more wear on the engine or something that’ll cause catastrophic failure, which isn’t the case.

He’s just a guy who’s throwing sh*it at the wall and seeing what sticks. But unfortunately that’s not how the world works, and facts are facts.
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Originally Posted by The G Man
In the state of Vermont, the gas grades are 87, 89, 93 octanes, there is no 91 octanes, I used to mix 93 and 87 octanes but it's too much work.

Modern day engines do have an electronic timing system for lower octane gas, but using lower octane gas consistently will eventually carbon up the engine. This is not an issue if you take apart the intake manifold and clean the carbon every 20K miles but that could get expensive if you are not a DIYer/
Right, carbon is like cancer to humans, a slow death. The engine may forgive it, but I personally would never use 89 octane, not even once on a modem DI engine!

I would call my AAA to have them bring me 91 octane gas or have it towed before putting anything less then 91 in my E300! :-)

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Depending on the station, the octanes offered in Florida are 87, 89, 91, 93 and 94 (Sunoco).
Yeah lol, I have been all over the USA, took many road trips in my Benz, from San Diego to Miami- never saw one gas station that does not have 91 octane, even in the smallest towns!

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91 octane gas availability is somewhat rare here. Most top tier stations offer 87, 89 and 93 octane. I don't know about non top tier stations because I never use them.
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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 09:30 AM
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I only go to Chevron or Shell, they always have 91 octane where I have been- across the USA.
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If you ever do have to use 87 or 89 octane gas, just add the minimum amount to get you to another station and drive gently -- no high load, high boost driving -- and you should be OK. I once had a VW that I supercharged and had a kid at a gas station put 87 octane in before I knew what he was doing. It was in Delaware or New Jersey, where you can't self-serve. I had told him to use premium and he apparently didn't know what that meant. I drove the car gently until about ½ tank was left and filled it with 93 again. Never really noticed a problem, but I did get better mileage (from driving gently).
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Originally Posted by Billyismyname
This just tells you how stupid and ignorant you are.

1. Mercedes never used "nissan parts" in the M274. The M274 is a Mercedes designed engine. The M274 was used in Infinity automobiles. Where the heck are you getting Nissan from now? You're trying way too hard dude.
2. I have two S Classes, an E Class, a GT63, and i'm looking to buy a CLS63 AMG in a few months. I have a Mercedes ML, and a 2020 VW Passat in Europe. I literally don't care that it happened to me. I have other cars to drive every day of the week on two continents. I take apart my E300 engine for fun and put it back together. So even if my S class did blow up, I wouldn't be mad about it. It's life, sh*it happens. I also got mine covered under warranty and sold it, so I never lost any money on it. So don't care.
3. I had to use lower grade octane because 93 octane wasn't available you flaming moron.
- Since you don't know the english language and can't read, i'll explain it one more time to you. My E300 that blew up I used 93 octane always. It still blew up. My current E300 i put in all kinds of low grade fuel and sometimes even 91/89 and I have 140,000 miles. Still hasn't blown up.

You literally sound stupid by repeating your self. I would suggest you just quit. No one said your car is affected by the bad wrist pins, no one said your cars going to blow up. It was said that hundreds of M274's engines failed from 2015 and on. The thread got derailed by you believing your cars going to blow up, which it more than likely won't.

Also another FYI - Using 89/91 octane won't destroy your engine over time. If your cars NOx sensors/ECU detects that you are using lower octane, your car will change the timing to compensate the lower fuel octane you put in to prevent pre-detonation. That in return will cause your engine to run less efficiently and lose some power.

If that didn't make sense let me explain it even further: It won't blow your engine.

If that doesn't make sense then go get your head checked.

You are dismissed, clown.
How many more times must we prove you wrong, you must change your name to Billyisamoron


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Old Sep 26, 2024 | 11:40 PM
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How many more times must we prove you wrong, you must change your name to Billyisamoron

I think your brain is seriously underdeveloped. You literally haven't proven me wrong once. I know English is hard for you so let me explain and dumb it down for you once again:

This is what I said: "#1. Mercedes never used "nissan parts" in the M274. The M274 is a Mercedes designed engine. The M274 was used in Infinity automobiles. Where the heck are you getting Nissan from now? You're trying way too hard dude."

I was talking about the M274 engine. If you want to get technical Nissan is partnering with Mercedes to make the new 1.2 and 1.4 liter "M260" engine that is replacing the M274 model. N O T H I N G you said makes any sense or has anything to do with what i said. Literally didn't prove anything. You/re just making your self sound really stupid at this point. But keep going, I keep sending my buddies that work at Mercedes screenshots of this conversation and we're having a good time laughing at you.

I would just stop if I were you Mr. "your engine will explode if you use 89 octane" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
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How many more times must we prove you wrong, you must change your name to Billyisamoron
BTW here are pictures I took of inside my engine if you haven't seen my post previously. The intake valves and inside the cylinders. Clean as a whistle. No carbon what so ever at 143,000 miles. Funny how my engine will blow up soon according to you because I put in lower grade fuel. My engine is healthier and cleaner than yours even though you do steps 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, oil additives, warming up the car, 93 octane blah blah blah

(BTW - my name isn't even Billy LOL)



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For the 3rd time (Billyismyname) I never said anything about engines blowing up- show me where I said that?? I said there can be a contributing factor to the Piston failure (out of spec wrist pins) by using lower octane gas moron!

I also said putting a lower octane in a Mercedes DI engine is a slow death of carbon buildup- the minimum required octane is 91 for most all Mercedes engines, my 10-year-old knows that, you moron.

Out of the hundreds of thousands (Millions really) of the M274 engines that was made- maybe only 2% had piston failure you moron!


Stuttgart and my local Mercedes dealership both also confirmed and stated the same thing: The affective bad wrist rings came from engine # 274 920 30 406602, not all of them- Not even close to my engine numbers moron!

SOME COMPLETE FROM A- Z PARTS FOR THE ENGINE WHERE MADE IN BERLIN, HUNGRY, ETC AND THOSE COUNTRIES (EUROPE) ARE NOT SHOWING PISTON FAILURE!...These cases are specifically in the USA, a lot coming from California- moron!

I talked to my local Mercedes dealership after giving them my Vin and other information and they told me as well my engine/car is not affected by this piston failure, NOT EVERY M274 ENGINE IS, MORON!

Never in my life have I seen such a hater- just because one of your E300s had a piston failure- you think everyone else will have it lol, it's just isn't going to happen moron!!!

Not every M274 component engine parts came from the Nissan plant, that was years ago and production for the engine parts for Mercedes M274 was short lived- Moron!


If that was the case- hundreds and thousands (MILLIONS REALLY) of the M274 engine would have gone bad by now moron!


PLEASE remove yourself from my thread, I can't dumb it down for you any longer and stop using my words like: dumb it down, find your own just like find your own thread- you babbling imbecile!

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there are a few gas stations near the I-89 route that do have 91, but very rare. I usually either stop to get 91 or 93. But neither worked, so 87 it was.

as for your carbon statement, that’s all true, but you’ll get carbon with 93 and higher octane fuels as well. I’ve already cleaned my intake valves twice. Used to clean carbon from customers engines all the time. It’s just the nature of the DI engines.

using 93 consistently I saw carbon build up at 20,000 miles after cleaning it. but the point is it won’t blow up the motor. Massimo thinks that using lower grade fuel somehow attributes to more wear on the engine or something that’ll cause catastrophic failure, which isn’t the case.

He’s just a guy who’s throwing sh*it at the wall and seeing what sticks. But unfortunately that’s not how the world works, and facts are facts.
Using lower octane will cause the engine to retard timing to compensate. Since the car is designed for 91 octane, the computer will cyclically try to advance timing until a tiny bit of knocking is sensed by the computer, it then again retards the timing. The duration of this low octane cycle differs from manufacturer to manufacturer. During this cycle, the slight knocking sensed by the computer is caused by pre-ignition produce incomplete combustion, hence more carbon if you use the cheap stuff.

Sorry to heard about your E class cracked piston, did you have any engine mod of any form? Did you drive the car aggressively?

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Using lower octane will cause the engine to retard timing to compensate. Since the car is designed for 91 octane, the computer will cyclically try to advance timing until a tiny bit of knocking is sensed by the computer, it then again retards the timing. The duration of this low octane cycle differs from manufacturer to manufacturer. During this cycle, the slight knocking sensed by the computer is caused by pre-ignition produce incomplete combustion, hence more carbon if you use the cheap stuff.

Sorry to heard about your E class cracked piston, did you have any engine mod of any form? Did you drive the car aggressively?
Right!!!

NO hes just a moron that thinks because he's M274 engine had a piston failure, everyone else will.

Common sense, which he apparently does not have, will tell you- out of the millions of M274 engine made, only 2% had the piston wrist failure, specifically in the USA.

Remember this is a guy that used 89 octane in a newer Mercedes engine, even if the engine electronically compensates or forgives, it is still very bad for a engine that is very complex and has low tolerances as these newer Mercedes engines do! :-)

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In the state of Vermont, the gas grades are 87, 89, 93 octanes, there is no 91 octanes/
Sorry, that is incorrect. The Sunoco in Chester, VT has 91 octane premium and it is pure gas (no ethanol). I use it for all of my gas-powered tools. The Sunocos in Rockingham (just off I-91) and Ludlow have 94 octane premium. I usually fill up in Rockingham or at the Shell between Rockingham and Bellows Falls.

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Sorry, that is incorrect. The Sunoco in Chester, VT has 91 octane premium and it is pure gas (no ethanol). I use it for all of my gas-powered tools. The Sunocos in Rockingham (just off I-91) and Ludlow have 94 octane premium. I usually fill up in Rockingham or at the Shell between Rockingham and Bellows Falls.
Sunoco is an outliner, same here in MA, its the same, they sell 91 at Sunoco only. I use to drive 5 miles just to buy their 91 gas before switching to Shell.
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Seriously, NOBODY CARES whether Billy or Masimo is right!

You guys are ruining an otherwise good thread with your bickering! Nothing either one of you say is going to change the other's mind. So, please, let's focus on learning and the original question, which has nothing to do with pretty pistons.
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Seriously, NOBODY CARES whether Billy or Masimo is right!

You guys are ruining an otherwise good thread with your bickering! Nothing either one of you say is going to change the other's mind. So, please, let's focus on learning and the original question, which has nothing to do with pretty pistons.
I agree, he was the one that changed the topic to the piston failure.

At first I just thought he playing dumb, then I realized he was not playing dumb, he really is! LOL

Lets get back on topic for sure! :-)

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I think your brain is seriously underdeveloped. You literally haven't proven me wrong once. I know English is hard for you so let me explain and dumb it down for you once again:

This is what I said: "#1. Mercedes never used "nissan parts" in the M274. The M274 is a Mercedes designed engine. The M274 was used in Infinity automobiles. Where the heck are you getting Nissan from now? You're trying way too hard dude."

I was talking about the M274 engine. If you want to get technical Nissan is partnering with Mercedes to make the new 1.2 and 1.4 liter "M260" engine that is replacing the M274 model. N O T H I N G you said makes any sense or has anything to do with what i said. Literally didn't prove anything. You/re just making your self sound really stupid at this point. But keep going, I keep sending my buddies that work at Mercedes screenshots of this conversation and we're having a good time laughing at you.

I would just stop if I were you Mr. "your engine will explode if you use 89 octane" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
For the 3rd time (Billyismyname) I never said anything about engines blowing up- show me where I said that?? I said there can be a contributing factor to the Piston failure (out of spec wrist pins) by using lower octane gas moron!

I also said putting a lower octane in a Mercedes DI engine is a slow death of carbon buildup- the minimum required octane is 91 for most all Mercedes engines, my 10-year-old knows that, you moron.

Out of the hundreds of thousands (Millions really) of the M274 engines that was made- maybe only 2% had piston failure you moron!


Stuttgart and my local Mercedes dealership both also confirmed and stated the same thing: The affective bad wrist rings came from engine # 274 920 30 406602, not all of them- Not even close to my engine numbers moron!

SOME COMPLETE FROM A- Z PARTS FOR THE ENGINE WHERE MADE IN BERLIN, HUNGRY, ETC AND THOSE COUNTRIES (EUROPE) ARE NOT SHOWING PISTON FAILURE!...These cases are specifically in the USA, a lot coming from California- moron!

I talked to my local Mercedes dealership after giving them my Vin and other information and they told me as well my engine/car is not affected by this piston failure, NOT EVERY M274 ENGINE IS, MORON!

Never in my life have I seen such a hater- just because one of your E300s had a piston failure- you think everyone else will have it lol, it's just isn't going to happen moron!!!

Not every M274 component engine parts came from the Nissan plant, that was years ago and production for the engine parts for Mercedes M274 was short lived- Moron!


If that was the case- hundreds and thousands (MILLIONS REALLY) of the M274 engine would have gone bad by now moron!


PLEASE remove yourself from my thread, I can't dumb it down for you any longer and stop using my words like: dumb it down, find your own just like find your own thread- you babbling imbecile!
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Originally Posted by Massimo Here
Right!!!

NO hes just a moron that thinks because he's M274 engine had a piston failure, everyone else will.

Common sense, which he apparently does not have, will tell you- out of the millions of M274 engine made, only 2% had the piston wrist failure, specifically in the USA.

Remember this is a guy that used 89 octane in a newer Mercedes engine, even if the engine electronically compensates or forgives, it is still very bad for a engine that is very complex and has low tolerances as these newer Mercedes engines do! :-)

You keep mentioning "low tolerances" like the M274 is a Ferrari engine or an F1 car. It's not that low tolerance. It can take a beating and isn't that sensitive to "low octane fuel" or "lower quality oil". I don't know what the hell you're smoking honestly. Again, i put 89 in because I was in a state with little to no gas stations for miles and needed gas badly.

Just to remind you, my engine has little to no carbon inside of it, look at the pictures i posted. The proof is in the pudding. and is more than likely healthier than your engine at 143,000 miles. So go touch grass and play with your little YouTube videos Mr "your car will explode if you put in 89 octane fuel"
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@Massimo Here you are not helping. Your response only reignites the fire. Please just ignore him. You are playing into his hands. It's the bigger man that stops the bickering.
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For the 3rd time (Billyismyname) I never said anything about engines blowing up- show me where I said that?? I said there can be a contributing factor to the Piston failure (out of spec wrist pins) by using lower octane gas moron!

I also said putting a lower octane in a Mercedes DI engine is a slow death of carbon buildup- the minimum required octane is 91 for most all Mercedes engines, my 10-year-old knows that, you moron.

Out of the hundreds of thousands (Millions really) of the M274 engines that was made- maybe only 2% had piston failure you moron!


Stuttgart and my local Mercedes dealership both also confirmed and stated the same thing: The affective bad wrist rings came from engine # 274 920 30 406602, not all of them- Not even close to my engine numbers moron!

SOME COMPLETE FROM A- Z PARTS FOR THE ENGINE WHERE MADE IN BERLIN, HUNGRY, ETC AND THOSE COUNTRIES (EUROPE) ARE NOT SHOWING PISTON FAILURE!...These cases are specifically in the USA, a lot coming from California- moron!

I talked to my local Mercedes dealership after giving them my Vin and other information and they told me as well my engine/car is not affected by this piston failure, NOT EVERY M274 ENGINE IS, MORON!

Never in my life have I seen such a hater- just because one of your E300s had a piston failure- you think everyone else will have it lol, it's just isn't going to happen moron!!!

Not every M274 component engine parts came from the Nissan plant, that was years ago and production for the engine parts for Mercedes M274 was short lived- Moron!


If that was the case- hundreds and thousands (MILLIONS REALLY) of the M274 engine would have gone bad by now moron!


PLEASE remove yourself from my thread, I can't dumb it down for you any longer and stop using my words like: dumb it down, find your own just like find your own thread- you babbling imbecile!
So now you're using my words "out of spec wrist pins" because you know that they weren't failing because of "bad gas" or whatever the hell you thought.

"I also said putting a lower octane in a Mercedes DI engine is a slow death of carbon buildup" - Every DI engine will have carbon build up whether you use 91 or 93. Just differs from the quality of fuel and how you drive. The TINY bit of carbon that it might accumulate from using 91 vs 93 or 89 is literally so small that it wouldn't hurt anything. Again - not sure what the f*uck you're smoking buddy. No engine is going to "die of a slow death" because you put 89 octane in once. Literally the dumbest thing i've heard all year. And I deal with a lot of stupid people on a daily basis.

Literally a moron.


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