E/W214: 2024 E350 vs E450 — Do you think it’s worth the extra $6K? Why or why not?
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I drove the both he 4 and 6 before deciding on the 6. As I have posted many times, the 4 was peppy and loud: the 6 was smooth and powerful.
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My V6 is as smooth as silk.
Did you drive both the 4 and 6 before you bought your Mercedes and if so why then did you buy the 4 instead of the 6, as both were available?
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Agreed. V6 can be balanced with counterweights. The Mercedes V6 is smooth as silk. I can't even tell oftentimes that the engine is running in my GLC43. There's nothing magical about the I6 over the V6.
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Interesting article about MB and 4 bangers. Looks like we had better get used to them or move to another manufacturer. As long as the power is there, I don't care how many cylinders the engine has.
https://www.motor1.com/news/729311/m...-cylinder-amg/
https://www.motor1.com/news/729311/m...-cylinder-amg/
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It is AMG specific but if the AMG models, which are the high performance versions of MB cars, then it stands to reason that the non-AMG models would also move to all four-cylinder as the biggest engine option. Eventually, we will have zero-cylinders as we fully migrate to EV only but I think that is a while out still. Until then, I think we will see much more mild-hybrids or full-hybrids with lower cylinder counts in the future.
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Even with a split pin (split journal) crankshaft to enable a 90° v6 to fire at 120° intervals, only the primary firing forces are balanced, but some secondary vibrations remain due to the 3 cylinder bank. If the v6 was so good, why did MB abandon it and return to the traditional in-line 6 in 2021? Simply put, the in-line 6 is superior to the v6. AFAIK the only advantage the v6 has over the i6 is that it fits in a shorter engine compartment.
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It is AMG specific but if the AMG models, which are the high performance versions of MB cars, then it stands to reason that the non-AMG models would also move to all four-cylinder as the biggest engine option. Eventually, we will have zero-cylinders as we fully migrate to EV only but I think that is a while out still. Until then, I think we will see much more mild-hybrids or full-hybrids with lower cylinder counts in the future.
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There are cost considerations. A hand built high performance 4 banger in AMG models probably costs twice what a machine built i6 costs. Fuel consumption and emissions also play a role in the MB offerings. Abandoning the v8 wasn't really a voluntary MB decision. Government regulation was the force majeure.
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Wrong! I have had several V6’s. it is a grindy engine when laboured to the floor. The last two were 2018 E 43’s .Traded one a year later for 2019 CLS53. Very, very different propulsion system.
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There are cost considerations. A hand built high performance 4 banger in AMG models probably costs twice what a machine built i6 costs. Fuel consumption and emissions also play a role in the MB offerings. Abandoning the v8 wasn't really a voluntary MB decision. Government regulation was the force majeure.
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Even with a split pin (split journal) crankshaft to enable a 90° v6 to fire at 120° intervals, only the primary firing forces are balanced, but some secondary vibrations remain due to the 3 cylinder bank. If the v6 was so good, why did MB abandon it and return to the traditional in-line 6 in 2021? Simply put, the in-line 6 is superior to the v6. AFAIK the only advantage the v6 has over the i6 is that it fits in a shorter engine compartment.
I think it is time to put this discussion to rest.
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You are beating a dead horse: We all agree that the I6 is inherently balanced. The V6 is not, but engineering makes it as smooth as the I6. The V6 is smaller, more compact and is cheaper to produce. Until the introduction of the present I6, I believe the only mass market producers of cars that still offered an I6 was BMW. Every other manufacturer switched to the V6, (from V8) for cars, SUV to trucks including Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, Audi, etc. the only exception being BMW.
I think it is time to put this discussion to rest.
I think it is time to put this discussion to rest.
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It does! MB is doing it since the E-Class comes with an i4, i6, and no V8 options at all. All I'm saying is that if MB feels four-cylinders are good enough in their performance models why would they put more cylinders in their non performance models. That's backwards, regardless how you feel about their decision to abandon the V8.
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Meanwhile, they spent resources to electrify and hybridize the I4 and I6, and the I6 supposedly won't fit in the new AMG C class that no one is buying.
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^ I believe the primary reason is an I-6 provides more modularity with 4-cylinder engines. Of course inherent smoothness is a great benefit, and elimination of accessory drives off the front of the engine with the mild-hybrid system greatly reduces one of the biggest I-6 disadvantages.
