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My E450 is just less than a year old and says it’s not due for service for 3000 miles, but I see the oil level is ok but at minimum. Should I take it in for its service now?
My E450 is just less than a year old and says it’s not due for service for 3000 miles, but I see the oil level is ok but at minimum. Should I take it in for its service now?
Sounds like oil consumption, as long as it is in between the min and max mark and says OK it is fine. If it goes below, that is when you are concerned. Measure on a flat surface as well.
If it still says the engine oil level is OK then you should be fine - for now. I personally would add some oil. The manual states that it's normal to burn a quart (0.9 quarts to be exact) every 600 miles, which seems excessive to me. If you have 7000 miles based on your 3000 miles remaining, you may have burned off several quarts of oil. Lack of oil is extremely detrimental to your engine. Based on the data you provided you will likely be low before you reach the 3000 more miles before your service.
If it still says the engine oil level is OK then you should be fine - for now. I personally would add some oil. The manual states that it's normal to burn a quart (0.9 quarts to be exact) every 600 miles, which seems excessive to me. If you have 7000 miles based on your 3000 miles remaining, you may have burned off several quarts of oil. Lack of oil is extremely detrimental to your engine. Based on the data you provided you will likely be low before you reach the 3000 more miles before your service.
Yes that is in every MB manual, they add that just in case.
2023 E 450 Sedan. 2018 GLC 300. 2013 E 350 Coupe (retired)
Is it a linear scale? Have to go into engineering mode to see how much it is actually down. I know my dealer would top off on a new car they sold me no charge. If I did not want to see the dealer I would put in three ounces of the correct oil and see if that moves the needle. No need to get it back to full, but do not overfill!
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
Originally Posted by L1Wolf
If it still says the engine oil level is OK then you should be fine - for now. I personally would add some oil. The manual states that it's normal to burn a quart (0.9 quarts to be exact) every 600 miles, which seems excessive to me. If you have 7000 miles based on your 3000 miles remaining, you may have burned off several quarts of oil. Lack of oil is extremely detrimental to your engine. Based on the data you provided you will likely be low before you reach the 3000 more miles before your service.
I find that incredible: .9 quarts every 600 miles. That means every 800 miles you would burn a quart of oil. At that rate at 10,000 miles you would burned or 12 quarts of oil. As the capacity is only 10 quarts, replacing a quart every 800 miles, you would literally never have to do an oil change as the oil is constantly being replaced.
If you car is burning that much oil, you have a real problem.
Between oil changes on my 2019 E450, which I do every 10,000 miles, (I now have 53,000 miles so I have done 5 changes) I have never, repeat never had to add oil.
I find that incredible: .9 quarts every 600 miles. That means every 800 miles you would burn a quart of oil. At that rate at 10,000 miles you would burned or 12 quarts of oil. As the capacity is only 10 quarts, replacing a quart every 800 miles, you would literally never have to do an oil change as the oil is constantly being replaced.
If you car is burning that much oil, you have a real problem.
Between oil changes on my 2019 E450, which I do every 10,000 miles, (I now have 53,000 miles so I have done 5 changes) I have never, repeat never had to add oil.
Yup that is just added there so customers don't come complaining about the engine oil consumption. Most engines don't use that much oil every oil change.
Is it a linear scale? Have to go into engineering mode to see how much it is actually down. I know my dealer would top off on a new car they sold me no charge. If I did not want to see the dealer I would put in three ounces of the correct oil and see if that moves the needle. No need to get it back to full, but do not overfill!
Yes you could add some just make sure to use the right oil.
I find that incredible: .9 quarts every 600 miles. That means every 800 miles you would burn a quart of oil. At that rate at 10,000 miles you would burned or 12 quarts of oil. As the capacity is only 10 quarts, replacing a quart every 800 miles, you would literally never have to do an oil change as the oil is constantly being replaced.
If you car is burning that much oil, you have a real problem.
Between oil changes on my 2019 E450, which I do every 10,000 miles, (I now have 53,000 miles so I have done 5 changes) I have never, repeat never had to add oil.
As I said, it is excessive, but I'm betting your manual says something similar. It's not likely going to burn that much oil but these high compression turbo engines do burn oil. It's normal. That is likely why they take so much oil in the sump. Plenty of oil available even if it burns a quart or two between 10K oil change intervals. In any case, the OP's oil level is at min which likely means he has no margin for error if it does burn some more off.
I find that incredible: .9 quarts every 600 miles. That means every 800 miles you would burn a quart of oil. At that rate at 10,000 miles you would burned or 12 quarts of oil. As the capacity is only 10 quarts, replacing a quart every 800 miles, you would literally never have to do an oil change as the oil is constantly being replaced.
If you car is burning that much oil, you have a real problem.
Between oil changes on my 2019 E450, which I do every 10,000 miles, (I now have 53,000 miles so I have done 5 changes) I have never, repeat never had to add oil.
My E55 burned a quart every 800 miles as I recall so this is a long-standing tradition
The key words are "depending on your driving style". High speeds and aggressive driving before engine is at full operating temperature can quickly burn a lot of oil.
The key words are "depending on your driving style". High speeds and aggressive driving before engine is at full operating temperature can quickly burn a lot of oil.
Aggressive driving before full operating temperature is a big no-no, people still do that?
Aggressive driving before full operating temperature is a big no-no, people still do that?
Why would a person who's leasing their car, with no intention of keeping it beyond the lease, care about such niceties as treating the car well, for the long haul ?
As a car owner, I always drive very gently for the first few miles, till the car is at full operating temperature, but that's how I treat all of my cars......including loaners that I take from the dealership.
PS: Looking at the pathetic state of some of the 3-4 year old S-classes and E-classes being driven around, with unrepaired collision damage, and nasty dark-shaded windows that're indicative of a drug dealer or a thug, tells me that these are all lease returns, purchased by these characters pennies-to-the-dollar. Of course these purchasers then simply don't have the means to maintain the car the way the manufacturer intended, after getting the car for cheap money.
Why would a person who's leasing their car, with no intention of keeping it beyond the lease, care about such niceties as treating the car well, for the long haul ?
As a car owner, I always drive very gently for the first few miles, till the car is at full operating temperature, but that's how I treat all of my cars......including loaners that I take from the dealership.
PS: Looking at the pathetic state of some of the 3-4 year old S-classes and E-classes being driven around, with unrepaired collision damage, and nasty dark-shaded windows that're indicative of a drug dealer or a thug, tells me that these are all lease returns, purchased by these characters pennies-to-the-dollar. Of course these purchasers then simply don't have the means to maintain the car the way the manufacturer intended, after getting the car for cheap money.
I guess I would never understand because I don't lease, thanks for your comment.
Why would a person who's leasing their car, with no intention of keeping it beyond the lease, care about such niceties as treating the car well, for the long haul ?
As a car owner, I always drive very gently for the first few miles, till the car is at full operating temperature, but that's how I treat all of my cars......including loaners that I take from the dealership.
PS: Looking at the pathetic state of some of the 3-4 year old S-classes and E-classes being driven around, with unrepaired collision damage, and nasty dark-shaded windows that're indicative of a drug dealer or a thug, tells me that these are all lease returns, purchased by these characters pennies-to-the-dollar. Of course these purchasers then simply don't have the means to maintain the car the way the manufacturer intended, after getting the car for cheap money.
That is why I don't buy used or demonstrator vehicles. I buy only buy new vehicles that come directly from the factory.
That is why I don't buy used or demonstrator vehicles. I buy only buy new vehicles that come directly from the factory.
Same here. With a used vehicle, I would always worry that the prior owner did not treat it as I personally would, and that'd bother me really badly. So just to save the mental agony, I just buy brand-new.
That is why I don't buy used or demonstrator vehicles. I buy only buy new vehicles that come directly from the factory.
Ever since everything that went on, some dealerships now sell vehicles directly from inventory at a warehouse so the vehicles are not driven or used as a demonstrator, although not all dealerships are like this. I am not sure which ones are, they are all independently owned after all.
Same here. With a used vehicle, I would always worry that the prior owner did not treat it as I personally would, and that'd bother me really badly. So just to save the mental agony, I just buy brand-new.
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
Originally Posted by Roweraay
Why would a person who's leasing their car, with no intention of keeping it beyond the lease, care about such niceties as treating the car well, for the long haul ?
As a car owner, I always drive very gently for the first few miles, till the car is at full operating temperature, but that's how I treat all of my cars......including loaners that I take from the dealership.
PS: Looking at the pathetic state of some of the 3-4 year old S-classes and E-classes being driven around, with unrepaired collision damage, and nasty dark-shaded windows that're indicative of a drug dealer or a thug, tells me that these are all lease returns, purchased by these characters pennies-to-the-dollar. Of course these purchasers then simply don't have the means to maintain the car the way the manufacturer intended, after getting the car for cheap money.
Unless things have changed, starting with Covid, dealers are no longer allowed to buy returned lease cars at the buy back price. This is because of their being so much equity in the car: the buy back was much lower than the market value. As the lessor, MB Financial took the cars back and sold them at auction keeping the profit for themselves rather than letting the dealers to keep the profit.. If there was no equity, the buyback was higher than the market value, MB Financial had gap insurance to cover the difference and these cars as well went to auction.
Dealers of course were free to bid on the returned lease cars at auction.
It is my further understanding that the used cars you see at the dealers are either demos, cars owned by employees of the dealership, trade ins or cars bought at auction.
As I have posted, in the NY Metro area, over 80% of E, S and above classes are leased. From what I have observed and speaking to people who lease, all maintain their cars according to the MB schedule. All who lease are fully aware that for the 4 year/50,000 mile warranty to be in effect, regular scheduled maintenance is required. Even though the chance of claim under warranty because maintenance was not done and it was the cause of the claim is extremely slight, everyone I know does the regular MB scheduled maintenance. If it were otherwise my dealer's repair area would be empty which it is not, to the contrary it is always filled with leased cars having maintenance being done.
Unless things have changed, starting with Covid, dealers are no longer allowed to buy returned lease cars at the buy back price. This is because of their being so much equity in the car: the buy back was much lower than the market value. As the lessor, MB Financial took the cars back and sold them at auction keeping the profit for themselves rather than letting the dealers to keep the profit.. If there was no equity, the buyback was higher than the market value, MB Financial had gap insurance to cover the difference and these cars as well went to auction.
Dealers of course were free to bid on the returned lease cars at auction.
It is my further understanding that the used cars you see at the dealers are either demos, cars owned by employees of the dealership, trade ins or cars bought at auction.
As I have posted, in the NY Metro area, over 80% of E, S and above classes are leased. From what I have observed and speaking to people who lease, all maintain their cars according to the MB schedule. All who lease are fully aware that for the 4 year/50,000 mile warranty to be in effect, regular scheduled maintenance is required. Even though the chance of claim under warranty because maintenance was not done and it was the cause of the claim is extremely slight, everyone I know does the regular MB scheduled maintenance. If it were otherwise my dealer's repair area would be empty which it is not, to the contrary it is always filled with leased cars having maintenance being done.
Agreed that most E's and S's are leased and that most do the minimum necessary as prescribed by MB as far as maintenance. Even with doing that, there are likely many who abuse their cars in terms of driving habits and taking maintenance to the edge with the knowledge that the car will be given back after 3 years and any long term impact of their abuse will not be felt by them. I used to lease in my younger years and wanted a new car every 2-3 years, but I still cared for the car as though it was mine forever. I figured it's a form of paying it forward to the next owner who will get a car that was at least cared for well even though I'll never know them or likely ever see that car again. I took pride in ensuring the car was as close to new as possible. I wish more people thought like that and that we as a society valued building and caring for things that last as long as possible. Sadly, we live in a disposable world these days and that includes cars.
Agreed that most E's and S's are leased and that most do the minimum necessary as prescribed by MB as far as maintenance. Even with doing that, there are likely many who abuse their cars in terms of driving habits and taking maintenance to the edge with the knowledge that the car will be given back after 3 years and any long term impact of their abuse will not be felt by them. I used to lease in my younger years and wanted a new car every 2-3 years, but I still cared for the car as though it was mine forever. I figured it's a form of paying it forward to the next owner who will get a car that was at least cared for well even though I'll never know them or likely ever see that car again. I took pride in ensuring the car was as close to new as possible. I wish more people thought like that and that we as a society valued building and caring for things that last as long as possible. Sadly, we live in a disposable world these days and that includes cars.
That got me curious, how many actually end up buying out their lease (obviously 2019-2020 was a special circumstance) but most people don't buyout their lease?
That got me curious, how many actually end up buying out their lease (obviously 2019-2020 was a special circumstance) but most people don't buyout their lease?
It's probably incorrect of me to say "most" as I've not done the necessary research to honestly conclude that. My statements are my own assumptions based on anecdotal evidence I've seen over the years by talking with others who have leased their vehicles. It would be more accurate to say, most that I have seen, but even then I'll admit I have not actually recorded the data to support that assertion. I have no idea really, and am simply stating an opinion based on my own experiences with people.
Regarding your question of how many buy out the lease, I would guess that it's not a high percentage, but I really have no idea. You can be sure MB and the other car companies know and use that data to steer their decision making on everything from quality, to maintenance schedules, to MSRP and beyond.
It's probably incorrect of me to say "most" as I've not done the necessary research to honestly conclude that. My statements are my own assumptions based on anecdotal evidence I've seen over the years by talking with others who have leased their vehicles. It would be more accurate to say, most that I have seen, but even then I'll admit I have not actually recorded the data to support that assertion. I have no idea really, and am simply stating an opinion based on my own experiences with people.
Regarding your question of how many buy out the lease, I would guess that it's not a high percentage, but I really have no idea. You can be sure MB and the other car companies know and use that data to steer their decision making on everything from quality, to maintenance schedules, to MSRP and beyond.
no no no, sorry for the confusion, I didn't say you were wrong, I was just curious and wanted to ask if anyone actually buyout their lease in the end. Here in Canada, for example, 80% MB customers lease, that was prior to 2019.
Thank you for answering, I asked because perhaps people wanted to try the vehicle out and end up buying it if they like it (and/or it is reliable), if they treat it right during the lease then if they buy it out for example, they know it is treated well, they know the full service history, unlike buying used for example.
no no no, sorry for the confusion, I didn't say you were wrong, I was just curious and wanted to ask if anyone actually buyout their lease in the end. Here in Canada, for example, 80% MB customers lease, that was prior to 2019.
Thank you for answering, I asked because perhaps people wanted to try the vehicle out and end up buying it if they like it (and/or it is reliable), if they treat it right during the lease then if they buy it out for example, they know it is treated well, they know the full service history, unlike buying used for example.
I know you weren't. I was just self correcting my own statements. Good point about lease before you buy. I'm sure some people do that.
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