Yeah, I guess it's North America as a whole, but yeah 10 and 2 won't end well during an airbag deployment. Your arms will get smashed into your face for starters.

 

I figured, I mean air bags weren't a thing back in the day I guess that was why.

 

9 and 3 might be the "correct way". But I prefer 8 and 4, and the wheel doesn't seem to recognize that I am holding it that way. Even though that video says that the wheel is capacitive all the way around.

 

That is weird that it doesn't register, I wonder why. Anyways, guess we should be happy we don't have the yoke as it is impossible to hold the steering wheel in any other way.

 

So 8 and 4 if used for long distance driving is actually not that wrong. Some studies have shown that it causes the least muscle fatigue and your arms are out of the airbag danger zone. In conjunction with the Active Steering Assist I actually do it myself. Holding it at 9 and 3 for just eating up miles does make the arms feel heavy after a while. My steering wheel is not capacitive, so I can't say if your capacitive matt is potentially faulty.

 

Yes, when I was debating whether to upgrade my 2017 Model S to a new one, top of the list of negatives was the yoke (though now that's no longer an issue). Mostly because there are situation where you need hand over hand steering. Especially parking in a tight area.

 

The problem with the Tesla yoke is the steering ratio. Yokes are not inherently problematic. On the contrary, they don't block the instrument cluster for taller folks. F1 cars have yokes. The difference is they have very direct steering ratios, so hand over hand steering is not necessary. But the issue with a direct steering ratio is that the steering becomes very nervous at higher speeds, which is too dangerous for average drivers. The solution to this is a variable steering ratio. At low speeds, especially parking lot speeds the ratio must be direct, so that you don't need hand over hand steering, but at higher speeds it must become indirect for better stability.

Lexus is coming out with a yoke for the new RZ and it's going to be the first production car with steer-by-wire (only if you option the yoke). There's no longer gonna be a mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the steering rack. This allows them to freely change the steering ratio and actually make a yoke work. The downside is that steer-by-wire has some delays. The front wheels are always turning slightly behind your steering angle playing catchup, but Lexus is still working out the kinks.

There are also variable ratio mechanical steering systems like Audi's Dynamic Steering for example which also changes the ratio based on speed. I had it in my RS5. MB also uses variable ratio steering, but in case of MB the ratio changes based on how much you turn the steering wheel and not based on speed. This makes it more predictable, because the ratio is always the same for a given steering angle, regardless of the speed. Tesla just fundamentally doesn't really understand driving dynamics. They build batteries on wheels for going really fast in a straight line, but the cornering dynamics leave a lot to be desired.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...teering-wheel/

 

Thank you for the dissertation regarding yokes. That was a lot of typing.

I still need to figure out if the steering wheel on my new EQS SUV is defective or not. If the wheel is supposed to be capacitive all the way around, then I may have a service issue.

Is anyone else having an issue as to where they are holding the wheel and getting excessive nag pop-ups?

 

Just to add another possibility. Do you happen to have dry hands? Capacitive touch doesn't work so well with dry skin due to reduced conductivity. I have relatively dry hands, and the capacitive touchpads on my steering wheel regularly don't respond to the swiping of my thumb, because my skin is too dry.

 

Same with me and it is annoying to have a pop up asking to put your hand on the steering wheel while your hands are indeed on the it.

 

I could be wrong, but I don’t believe the steering wheel in the EQS SUV is capacitive touch. I believe it actually requires you to move the steering wheel slight so when I’m driving long stretches of safe highway, I just move the steering wheel slight to let it know I’m there, and that works for me.

The BMW X7 we traded for the EQS SUV used heat sensors to determine if your fingers were touching the steering wheel. Those worked really well and I could lightly lay my fingers on the back of the steering wheel to keep the system from asking me to put my hands back on the wheel. That is not the case with the EQS. I have to move the wheel slightly to avoid the pop up warning.

 

Now I know it's not just me.

 

Hmmm, strange you would think since they have it on the facelift E-Class, they would have it on an EQS...

 

Did you upgrade the 2017 Model S to the EQS SUV or still have it? If it is the former then it might be a good thing that you didn't get the newest gen model S I heard there were numerous build and fit, quality issues, (even safety issues like steering wheel coming off???) more so than your 2017. Although MB electric vehicles have their own share of problems but it is way more refined and those problems were way less common anyways. I mean I get it, Tesla was the choice when there were literally no electric vehicles competing with them but now everything is better than them.

 

That explains why my friends complain about the capacitive blackberry touchpad while I don't as I have sweaty hands (good or bad), I also wonder if there is supposed to be a setting to adjust the sensitivity of those, I wouldn't be surprised if there is as the COMAND for example have the sensitivity adjustment for the touchpad in the centre console of PFL E-Class. I guess I wouldn't have problems with capacitive touch stuff in the new C-Class and the coming up W214.

 

I have had terrible luck using capacitive touch since last October until I read the response above about dry skin. This morning I licked my index finger and it worked perfectly! I am not joking….

 

Ah, like those who do it so it makes it easier to flip the page of the book.

I wonder if just using hand moisturizer will suffice?

 

I wonder how long it's gonna take before there's a spot to place a wet sponge in the car to wet your hands and fingers if they keep going with these capacitive buttons etc.

 

A special Mercedes Sponge designed by the AMG division with the star logo!

 

I wonder who started the idea of capacitive stuff in Mercedes... because apparently pressing a button takes too much force and too tiring?

 

True that.

 

I traded my 2017 Model S for the EQS SUV 580.

My Tesla was mostly a pleasure to own these last 5 1/2 years. I got my wife a 2021 Volvo XC40 Pure Electric (when it first came out), so we've been all-EV for 2 years now.

 

I see but you enjoy the MB more than the Tesla right? The fit and finish, comfort/ride, options (premium leather etc.) and even tech is better? Subjectively design might also be better interior wise and maybe perhaps exterior as well?

 

In 2017 Tesla "fit and Finish" wasn't the issue that it is today. My Model S was one of the last to come with real leather. One of my favorite Tesla features was the full-time rear facing camera. I had free supercharging for the life of my ownership. Tesla's navigation shows very accurate traffic conditions, the EQS doesn't seem to (unless I've missed a setting). I was able to pay for hardware upgrades like MCU 1 > MCU 2. Full Self Driving Computer and Upgraded Cameras (in 2019 they had a flash sale for FSD, it only cost me $2000). I also liked the "walk away" self locking with no start or shut-down button. The built-in dashcam allows you to view four cameras. And it hadn't needed any service (other than tires) for 3 years. And the Mobile App is extremely robust.

My EQS SUV 580 interior is much more luxurious (I have the 801 Napa leather option), as well as the smooth and quite ride. I haven't had 360° cameras since I traded an Audi A8 for the Tesla, so I'm very happy to have that again. the Augmented Reality HUD is excellent, Tesla offers neither of these features. The rear axel steering is a killer feature, I love it. EQS's kick to open trunk actually works (my Audi had it, but it never worked, my Volvo has it and it works sometimes). So as you can see, there are trade-offs.

And I haven't complained about the A/C not working on my brand new $140k Mercedes (appointment in 2 days).

 

I see, was there a specific reason you decided to upgrade from the 2017 Model S since it sounds like you really do enjoy that vehicle maybe other than wanting something new?