In the past I was under the impression that the exterior dimensions would be similar to the E but due to being an EV and a hatch the interior total space (including cargo) would be between E and S. Recently I read speculation that the length would be like a SWB S. Nothing I've read is remotely official of course, and it could well be you are right that it will be closer to the LWB.

 

This would be inconsistent with another forum members claims of previewing the car and it being more E Class sized.

 

We have dinosaurs making decisions.

 

It is amazing that there is such little real info on the Production Vehicle. I asked my local Dealer yesterday if he had any info on the EQS. He said he had no more info than I had. Looks to me like we won’t see this Model at dealers until Q3 2021 at the earliest. I like what I have seen but we know that the final version may not look like the original model presented a few years ago.

 

Right but that doesn't mean he is correct. There is a lot of confusion caused by there being an EQE and EQS, Maybe he saw an EQE, Maybe the proportions made it seem E-class size even though it was longer.

There is another common sense reason the EQS cannot be E-class sized.

The EQC is longer than a GLC which is longer than a C-class.
The EQE ought to be longer than an EQC.
So how can the EQS be the same length as an E-class. There would be insufficient differentiation.

Photos also indicate the EQS is much bigger than an EQE.

 

The two seminars I participated in were all about the S Class. The car that was described to us as the “EQS” was supposed to be the all electric version of the S Class. When I sat in it, it felt smaller than my W222. That said, it looked reasonably more bulbous and not nearly as sexy as the cars shown in the photos in this thread.

 

You're undercover for the BMW, aren't ya?

 

 

Also posted to the generic EV thread:

 

Mercedes is replacing their models around every 7 years. With the EV do you guys think that will change maybe to 10-12 years?

Look at Model S. Is the same car since 2012 and no news of a redesign model.

 

That’s why the Model S doesn’t sell like it used to. The car now costs a fraction of just 3-4 years ago just to makes sales.

Personally I believe that the cycle will stay similar or shorten, if anything. There will be tech or range updates by model year or within the model year rather than waiting for a mid cycle refresh.
We know that Mercedes plans a large profit center around MBUX for paid software enabled options and functions.

 

maybe if will be like iPhones - updates every year with a chassis redesign every 3 years.


but I have a feeling they will do what they have always done with 7 year cycle with a light mid cycle update.

 

Yes, you're correct. The next money maker is in subscription for software options as it is presented already in this video at about minute 6 :

 

I don’t get this. I would think most consumers want to own the functionality rather than subscribe to it. And it just takes one company to offer it for free for it to unravel. Look at BMWs failed attempt at CarPlay subscriptions.

Many auto makers are embracing a free Google based OS. Mercedes and VW are trying to make core functionality a subscription and I think it is going to hurt them. If they price it in a way that it raises my total cost of ownership then it is a reason I would buy someone else’s car.

This is the problem with this whole subscription thing. No one is doing it to save the customer money or to give them better functionality that is uniquely available via a cloud based model. They are doing it to charge more without delivering more.

 

Sure they are... What did you expect? Nothing personal, just business.

 

It is a long way for profitability with EV ( less parts to sell, almost no service) and for now, the subs. is a good way to cover some of the cost. Every auto EV brand will have that business model because they all going to be in the same boat.

 

I do hope there is a car that won't need an iphone or apps to use in the future. Don't want to buy a cellphone

 

No need for a phone for apps or Internet but you need one for phone calls in the US. European models have SIM card options, so phones aren’t required there.

But are you telling me you don’t have a phone, being such a prolific online user?

 

Proud to say it: yes! No cell phone! Never have had one either.....did have a flip phone when my wife was expecting, but never even used it haha. I do enjoy my PC though

 

Yeah right

 

Yeah right? You think I'm lying about not having an Iphone?

 

I agree. There is a rub there, spending so much money on a car and then having to pay a monthly fee to use all the features.

 

BMW's attempt to monetize CarPlay was a stupid play that backfired in a big way. But subscription models have proven to work. Big Time. In software and entertainment, they have been cash cows and I don't see that changing in cars. But it has to be something that offers a value-add over common free services.

I am glad that Mercedes isn't going the Google route. Just like Amazon with Alexa, Google monetizes personal and private data in a big way (I know as we an unfortunately good customer of theirs). I prefer Apple's approach to privacy. Mercedes is not going the 3rd party OS route ; it will use the MB-OS operating system.
BMW already offers subscription services such as Dashcam recorders and traffic camera subscriptions and this will get more pervasive.

Bought or leased a car for a good deal but didn't offer a few features you would have liked? Like augmented reality navigation? Just subscribe... From a manufacturing and assembly process standpoint it is often cheaper to install some/all of the hardware and wiring harnesses, wether the car is sold with the feature or not.

 

EQS to arrive in the U.S. before the EQC

 

"EQS will be unveiled in spring 2021 and arrive in U.S. dealerships in the summer" per C&D.