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“From a development perspective, everything that we're currently developing from now on will be EV-only,” said Christoph Starzynski, vice president of electric drive at Mercedes. “The next S-Class will be fully electric only, there will be no ICE or hybrid version anymore as of right now.” - Autoweek
So the question is how long will the W223 live? Now two years into a normal seven-year run, so it could still be offered through model year '28, unless Mercedes pulls the plug sooner.
What about the Chinese tycoons and other buyers who don't like an EQS in it's present form. Will they change their mind when there's no longer a W223 available? Or no more A8s, 740is or LS500s to choose from?
Last edited by Tom in Austin; 04-20-2022 at 04:48 PM.
So the question is how long will the W223 live? Now two years into a normal seven-year run, so it could still be offered through model year '28, unless Mercedes pulls the plug sooner.
What about the Chinese tycoons and other buyers who don't like an EQS in it's present form. Will they change their mind when there's no longer a W223 available? Or no more A8s, 740is or LS500s to choose from?
They will likely run the full run. Their goal is to be all electric by 2030. The next S-Class will effectively also be the next EQS.
What about the Chinese tycoons and other buyers who don't like an EQS in it's present form. Will they change their mind when there's no longer a W223 available? Or no more A8s, 740is or LS500s to choose from?[/QUOTE]
These vehicles will likely also be all electric by 2030. The transition away from ICE to electric is well under way in the auto industry.
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What about the Chinese tycoons and other buyers who don't like an EQS in it's present form. Will they change their mind when there's no longer a W223 available? Or no more A8s, 740is or LS500s to choose from?
These vehicles will likely also be all electric by 2030. The transition away from ICE to electric is well under way in the auto industry.[/QUOTE]
At some point there will be an electric S Class. Once people are more comfortable with electric cars and range anxiety is less you will see more conventionally styled electric cars.
Thanks for the pics of the new EQS. I'm between that or Model X but leaning towards the EQS. Any idea when we can order or see in person? My wife has the Model Y and loves charging in the garage but I still want the feel of the Mercedes and don't want to give that up.
Thanks for the pics of the new EQS. I'm between that or Model X but leaning towards the EQS. Any idea when we can order or see in person? My wife has the Model Y and loves charging in the garage but I still want the feel of the Mercedes and don't want to give that up.
People have been ordering the EQS since the spring of 2021.
Thanks for the pics of the new EQS. I'm between that or Model X but leaning towards the EQS. Any idea when we can order or see in person? My wife has the Model Y and loves charging in the garage but I still want the feel of the Mercedes and don't want to give that up.
Having actually driven an EQS, I can tell you that the build quality of the EQS is vastly superior to anything that Tesla makes. BTW, Tesla has just announced another recall. You might want to check to see if your wife's Model Y is on the recall list.
I agree with you and I'm sure it does ride better having had cars from both brands. For this one I just want a 7 seat EV SUV so it's between MX, Rivian R1S or EQS SUV. Pretty sure R1S is a few years away though.
Mercedes Teases New "Entry-Level" Sedan to Debut MMA EV Platform
I know this is the EQS Section, however being that its the most popular EV section, and the main MB general forum is dead, I thought people in this forum would be interested to know of future MB EV news.
Mercedes-Benz's new, more luxury-focused MMA entry-level platform will launch with an all-electric model in 2024, the company said.
The "electric first" platform, which can also accept internal-combustion engines, will debut a new generation of technology and set the standard for future Mercedes architectures to come, CEO Ola Kallenius said.
Mercedes briefly showed a silhouette of a compact coupe-styled sedan that will be built on the platform at the event. Analysts were also given a preview of a physical car, but no official images were released.
"This new MMA architecture ushers in a new generation of technology, both on the drivetrain side in terms of battery chemistry, efficiency. and the drivetrain itself," CEO Ola Kallenius told analysts at the group's capital markets day in Monaco. It will also use the new MBOS infotainment system.
Mercedes plans to push its entry-level models much further upmarket, with higher prices and a lower share of the automaker's overall sales. The number of body styles in the segment (mostly compact size) will be cut to four from seven, and the share of Mercedes' sales will be trimmed 25 percent from 2019 levels by 2026.
Entry-level volumes were 680,000 globally in 2019, Mercedes said, a figure that fell to 570,000 in 2021. In that same time period, average selling price rose by 20 percent; it will be "significantly up" by 2026.
The automaker has previously described MMA as "electric first," while still able to incorporate internal-combustion engines. Mercedes did not mention internal-combustion versions on Thursday.
The MMA architecture will also debut Mercedes' MBOS infotainment operating system, which will appear on all future platforms, including the electric MB.EA architecture that will gradually replace the EVA2 platform that underpins the EQS and EQE.
Compact models on the MMA platform will have a higher margin than those on the current MFA2 platform, which includes A- and B-Class models, Mercedes Chief Financial Officer Harald Wilhelm told analysts. "Margin per unit should be better than what we had in the past," he said.
Volume, But at a Cost
Mercedes has significantly increased sales volume in recent years by expanding its compact lineup with models such as the CLA Shooting Brake and B-Class minivan. Overall sales reached 2.3 million in 2019 up from 1.4 million in 2011.
But the new sales have come at the expense of profit margins, Wilhelm said.
"Maybe I have not been completely happy with the margin in 2019," he said of the compact models. He said that year will be the baseline for future entry-level profit targets, which were not broken out specifically.
Overall, Mercedes is aiming for 14 percent margins by the middle of the decade, and the automaker said that entry luxury profits would "support group margin ambition."
Profits for the company's compact models improved in 2021 as Mercedes cut some trim lines and raised prices, Wilhelm said.
Prices will continue to increase in the future, Mercedes said, without being specific.
"The entry point to the Mercedes brand in the future will be a different one than today," Kallenius said.
They have a 2 tone one like this at a dealer near me. They tell me the sticker price is $172,000 and that they have a $100,000 mark up. A little too rich for my blood. They say only 40 of these were shipped to the states.
They have a 2 tone one like this at a dealer near me. They tell me the sticker price is $172,000 and that they have a $100,000 mark up. A little too rich for my blood. They say only 40 of these were shipped to the states.
The model ones are specially dear collector items. I can bet the AMGs will be around 200k for a while.
Mercedes-Benz prepares its highly flexible production network for "electric only": Management and employee representatives reach consensus on future European production setup
Top End Luxury: Sindelfingen, the lead Mercedes-Benz plant for high end vehicles to produce models based on the AMG.EA platform (AMG Electric Architecture) from 2025
Core Luxury: The Mercedes-Benz plants in Bremen, Germany and Kecskemét, Hungary to manufacture vehicles in Europe based on the MB.EA platform (Mercedes-Benz Electric Architecture)
Entry Luxury: The Mercedes-Benz plants in Rastatt and Kecskemét to produce the repositioned models of the MMA platform (Mercedes Modular Architecture) from 2024 in Europe
Highly efficient battery systems to be supplied by the global Mercedes-Benz battery production network
Stuttgart. Mercedes-Benz is aligning its global production network to manufacture its reshaped product portfolio focused on luxury electric vehicles as the world’s most valuable luxury car brand prepares to go all electric by the end of the decade – wherever market conditions allow. The future product portfolio will focus on three categories: Top End Luxury, Core Luxury and Entry Luxury as outlined in the company’s Economics of Desire event on May 19.
Jörg Burzer, Member of the Board of Management of Mercedes-Benz Group AG, Production and Supply Chain: "Following the successful launches of Mercedes-EQ models in recent months, we are taking the next step: To outline the plan for our future production setup. Together with the employee representatives, we are consistently implementing the Mercedes-Benz strategy towards 'electric only'. The global Mercedes Benz production network is sustainable, digital and flexible. We are ready for the rapid scaling of electric vehicle volumes - not least thanks to our highly qualified and motivated team worldwide. With the new production setup we are further increasing our flexibility and efficiency and securing the future of our locations.”
The Mercedes-Benz plants in Sindelfingen, Bremen, Rastatt and Kecskemét will start production of new models in the Top End Luxury, Core Luxury and Entry Luxury segments from the middle of the decade.
The Mercedes-Benz Sindelfingen site is the lead plant for the Top End Luxury segment and will produce models based on the electric AMG.EA platform from 2025. The Mercedes-Benz plants in Bremen, Germany and Kecskemét, Hungary to manufacture vehicles in Europe based on the electric MB.EA platform. Rastatt and Kecskemét will also produce the repositioned models based on the MMA platform from 2024 onwards. As part of implementing the Mercedes-Benz 2022-2026 Business Plan, the company is investing more than two billion euros into its European production sites. This step marks a new phase of introducing next-generation electric platforms in production, securing future employment at European locations. The new production plan is the outcome of constructive discussions with German employee representatives, resulting in far-reaching measures to further increase flexibility and efficiency.
Ergun Lümali, Dep. Chairman of the Supervisory Board and Chairman of the Works Council of Mercedes-Benz Group AG: “It is our job to ensure that the shift towards ‘electric only’ is fair. With today’s decision on the production setup we are ensuring that this remains the case. It’s good news for the company, the locations and most of all, for our employees. As employee representatives we demanded German production sites continue to play a significant role. The introduction of new technologies to our production sites is the key to becoming future proof and to ensuring continued employment. With investments into the new production setup we have ensured that vehicles with new electric architectures are built at our locations, helping to secure production capacity. This gives our colleagues, who have for decades worked for the three-pointed star, security and a new opportunity. We demand that the same should happen for our Powertrain-locations. The works council will continue to work towards this goal.”
Sabine Kohleisen, Member of the Board of Management of Mercedes-Benz Group AG, Human Resources and Labor Director: “The shift toward an electric and digital future is a big challenge and at the same time an opportunity. What is clear is that our production portfolio is undergoing a transformation, and with it our tasks and employment profiles. Today we have once again shown that we, together with the works council, have reached viable and forward looking solutions for our production sites, our company and its employees. I am delighted that we are able to offer our colleagues new opportunities in future.”
The production portfolio already includes six all-electric Mercedes-EQ models. These roll off the production line at six locations on three continents and have been consistently integrated into ongoing series production. Thanks to early investments into flexible production and the use of the state-of-the-art MO360 digital production system, Mercedes-Benz is already able to produce battery-electric vehicles in large volumes. The batteries for the Mercedes-EQ electric vehicles are supplied by the global battery production network with factories on three continents. Local battery production is a key success factor for Mercedes-Benz's electric offensive. Mercedes-Benz has been producing CO2-neutral in all of its own plants worldwide since this year and has also been purchasing electricity in Germany that comes exclusively from renewable sources (CO2-free) since this year.
Mercedes-Benz vehicle plants consistently implement electric production
Thanks to highly flexible structures, the plants of Mercedes-Benz AG can produce vehicles with different drivetrains on a single production line. With the strategic goal of shifting to all electric, the high degree of flexibility is a decisive advantage. It makes it possible to adjust production at short notice according to market demand.
Sindelfingen
Production of the all-electric EQS luxury sedan started last year at Factory 56 at the Mercedes-Benz plant in Sindelfingen. In Factory 56, the S-Class, the Mercedes-Maybach S-Class and the EQS are produced completely flexibly on the same line. The Factory 56 embodies the future of production at Mercedes-Benz and sets new standards in automotive engineering. (More information: https://group-media.mercedes-benz.co...ko/en/47202542) The Sindelfingen plant is also responsible for the production of the Mercedes-Benz E-Class with Sedan, Estate and All-Terrain off-road variants, CLS as well as the Mercedes-AMG GT family and will soon be adding the GLC to its portfolio. Sindelfingen is the lead plant in the Top End Luxury segment and will produce models based on the AMG.EA platform from 2025.
Bremen
The Mercedes-Benz plant in Bremen started production of the all-electric EQE a few months ago. Already in May 2019, the EQC (combined power consumption: 21.5 kWh/100 km; CO₂ emissions combined: 0 g/km)[1] was integrated into ongoing series production at the Mercedes-Benz plant in northern Germany. In addition to the two all-electric models, the C-Class with Sedan, Estate, Coupe and Cabriolet, the E-Class with Coupe and Cabriolet, the GLC as well as the GLC Coupe and the AMG SL roll off the production line in Bremen. From the middle of the decade, a model based on the MB.EA platform will be integrated into production.
Rastatt
The Mercedes-Benz Rastatt plant has been producing the all-electric EQA compact model since 2021. The plant is also responsible for the production of the compact vehicles A-Class, B-Class and GLA with combustion engine and plug-in hybrid. From 2024, new models based on the MMA platform are to roll off the production line at the plant. In the Entry Luxury segment, Mercedes-Benz will reduce the number of model variants from seven to four while significantly elevating the technological substance of these products. These changes help to reposition Mercedes-Benz in this segment to meet the wishes of discerning customers.
Kecskemét
The EQB compact SUV was launched at the Mercedes-Benz Kecskemét plant in 2021 and is the first purely electrically powered series production vehicle from Hungary. The model complements the portfolio consisting of CLA Coupe and CLA Shooting Brake as well as the A-Class with its conventional, plug-in hybrid and AMG versions. From 2024, new models based on the MMA platform as well as a model based on the MB.EA platform in Kecskemét roll off the production line.
Beijing
Beijing Benz Automotive Co. Ltd. (BBAC) has been producing Mercedes-Benz vehicles locally for the Chinese market since 2005. A few weeks ago, production of the all-electric EQE business sedan started at the Shunyi plant. The Mercedes-EQ production portfolio of the joint venture consists of four models: Production of the EQC started in 2019. Since 2021, the EQA and EQB have been produced locally. The C-Class (long version), E-Class (long version), A-Class (long version), GLA, GLB, GLC (long version) and the AMG A 35 L are also produced locally within the joint venture.
Tuscaloosa
The Mercedes-Benz plant in Tuscaloosa, USA, will soon start production of the EQS SUV, with the EQE SUV to follow later this year. Both models are produced on the same line together with the SUVs with conventional drive. The GLE, GLE Coupe, GLS and Mercedes-Maybach GLS roll off the assembly line in Tuscaloosa today.
Global battery production network: key success factor for the Mercedes-EQ electric ramp-up
The batteries for the Mercedes-EQ electric vehicles are supplied by a global battery production network comprising factories on three continents. The local production of battery systems is a key success factor for the Mercedes-Benz electric ramp-up and a decisive component in being able to meet the global demand for electric vehicles flexibly and efficiently.
Accumotive has been producing battery systems for hybrids and electric vehicles in Kamenz, Germany, since 2012. A second battery factory at the site commenced operations in 2018 and has been producing the battery systems for the EQC since 2019 followed by the batteries for the compact electric SUVs since 2021. Since Accumotive began production, more than one million batteries based on lithium-ion technology have been produced at the Kamenz site.
Beijing Benz Automotive Co. Ltd. (BBAC) has established a local battery production facility at the existing site in the Yizhuang Industrial Park in Beijing, China. It supplies the vehicle plants, which produce for the local market. Production of battery systems for the EQC started there in 2019. Production of battery systems for the EQE started this year.
Also in 2019, Mercedes-Benz opened a battery production plant in Bangkok, Thailand, together with its local partner Thonburi Automotive Assembly Plant (TAAP). Battery systems for plug-in hybrids and all-electric vehicles are manufactured there.
The Mercedes-Benz battery factory in Jawor, Poland, has been producing plug-in hybrid batteries for the C-, E- and S-Class since 2020. In 2021, the site expanded its portfolio to include battery systems for the compact Mercedes EQA and EQB models.
Two factories as parts of the Untertürkheim site in Stuttgart, Germany, produce battery systems. The Hedelfingen plant has been producing batteries for the EQS and EQE since 2021. A few weeks ago, the production of plug-in hybrid batteries started in the Brühl plant, which will be used in the new GLC, among other things.
The new battery factory in Bibb County near the Mercedes-Benz vehicle plant in Tuscaloosa, Alabama (USA) started operations this year, producing highly efficient battery systems for the all-electric EQS SUV and EQE SUV later this year.
The Mercedes-Benz battery production network will also be supplemented by another battery factory at the Sindelfingen site.
Electric drive systems in the global production network
Mercedes-Benz will deepen the level of vertical integration in manufacturing and development, and insource electric drive technology. The next generation of electric drive systems are being developed in house. The manufacturing and assembly of parts of the electric drive systems for future models of the Mercedes-EQ brand will start at the end of 2024 at the Untertürkheim plant.
Another important step is the acquisition of UK based electric motor company YASA. With this deal, Mercedes-Benz gains access to unique axial flux motor technology and expertise to develop next generation ultra-high performance motors. The Mercedes-Benz Berlin plant will expand its production portfolio with the manufacture and assembly of these ultra-high-performance axial flow electric motors in the future.
Sustainability in production
Compared to 2020, Mercedes-Benz is pursuing the goal of at least halving CO₂ emissions per passenger car over the entire life cycle by the end of this decade. The most important levers for this are the electrification of the vehicle fleet, charging with green electricity, the improvement of battery technology and the comprehensive use of recycled materials including batteries and renewable energies in production.
Mercedes-Benz has been producing CO2-neutral in all of its own plants worldwide since this year and has also been purchasing electricity in Germany that comes exclusively from renewable sources (CO2-free) since this year. A green electricity supply contract ensures the purchase of electricity from renewable energies at all times. In addition, the company aims to increase the production of renewable energy at its sites. Solar plants with a capacity of more than 11 MWp are to go into operation by the end of next year. By 2025, Mercedes-Benz will invest a three-digit million sum in the installation of photovoltaic systems. Mercedes-Benz is also planning to invest in new power purchase agreements for wind turbines worth 1 billion euros by the middle of the decade.
By 2030, it is planned to cover more than 70 percent of the energy demand in production from renewable energy sources - 15 percent is to be generated by renewable energy at the company's own locations. This is to be achieved by expanding solar and wind energy at its own locations and by concluding further corresponding power purchase agreements. Mercedes-Benz is also pursuing the goal of reducing water consumption by 35% by 2030.
In the next step, Mercedes-Benz also wants to make logistics CO2-neutral. The rail transport of vehicles and components such as batteries play an important role here.
[1] Electric energy consumption and range have been determined on the basis of Regulation (EC) No. 692/2008. Electric energy consumption and range depend on the vehicle configuration.
No suggestion here as to whether there might be an accommodation for charge ports not located at rear driver's side or front passenger's side.
most Superchargers are like a parking spot. I really dont see what the issue is. If you can back into a parking spot, you can charge the car. No brainer. What I didn't know is that Tesla was attempting to spin off "the network" , interesting.... Regardless very good news for all of us! The only DC fast chargers 100 miles from my house are 8 superchargers at a new Hilton about 2 miles from my place. Woo Hoo!
Mercedes-Benz has reported 1,959 EQS Sales for Q2 of 2022, bringing the YTD total to an impressive 4,048. For reference, the ICE S-Class sold 3,920 units for Q2, about double the EQS, and the Taycan sold 2,524 units, making it the best selling luxury performance EV 4-door (Cross-Turismo is included with Sedan sales). The EQS outsold the BMW iX who sold 1,081 units in Q2, the E-Tron GT with 839 units, as well as the Audi A8 and BMW 7-Series combined at 407 and 1,391 units each.
Precisely the times I got from my racebox.
Yes, rear headroom is a whole 1.5 inches less than the S580...a limousine. At 5'10" I fit perfectly and, since Im bald, it doesnt tussle my hair🤣. Im also getting tired about the brake comment, if you want the brakes to feel utterly normal use no regen. After a week, normal setting (default) also feels completely normal. The brakes dont feel odd at all, if you dont want them to...
And finally, a publication that compares it to the correct vehicle the S long range. Despite being heavier than the LR, because its bigger and has more "stuff" it has almost identical acceleration and beats it in range significantly. Lastly it also (bulk) charges faster. Thus, not only does it meet or surpass the S long range on paper and all EV specs it walks all over it in all other driving parameters objective or subjective.
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Just proof that unless you must have an AMG badge its really not worth it. Basicly, despite all the AMG badges, its a 580 with a boost mode and a limiter raised to 155 instead of 130. Meanwhile you trade that marginal improvement in speed "stats" for almost 1/3 of range. All the while paying 20k for the honor. Thanks, but no thanks.
Just proof that unless you must have an AMG badge its really not worth it. Basicly, despite all the AMG badges, its a 580 with a boost mode and a limiter raised to 155 instead of 130. Meanwhile you trade that marginal improvement in speed "stats" for almost 1/3 of range. All the while paying 20k for the honor. Thanks, but no thanks.
Agree. The 580 suits all my needs. I can’t imagine me ever going 131 mph, never mind 155. I just want the power to blow by an 18 wheeler on the highway. I’ll take the added range of the 580 any day.
Agree. The 580 suits all my needs. I can’t imagine me ever going 131 mph, never mind 155. I just want the power to blow by an 18 wheeler on the highway. I’ll take the added range of the 580 any day.
The only times Ive driven that fast was to check for the limiter. Not even while driving on a track on my E43. It wouldnt get over 120 in the straight at Road America since it was uphill and wasnt long enough.... One thing, the EQS drives at any speed as if it were doing 50.
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