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I'm only 38 and have owned mercedes my entire life, but I can't imagine owning any mercedes beyond the W222. What a disaster this car is.
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good luck with your W222 old man.
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Which comment are you referring to? I don’t care for the center stack screen in either car, but the W223 interior overall, is much more attractive, IMO. If it has not come across clearly here, I don’t care for the EQS, other than how quiet it is and how the power delivery feels. With or without the Hyperscreen, this is not a car I want.
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Which comment are you referring to? I don’t care for the center stack screen in either car, but the W223 interior overall, is much more attractive, IMO. If it has not come across clearly here, I don’t care for the EQS, other than how quiet it is and how the power delivery feels. With or without the Hyperscreen, this is not a car I want.
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You know, thinking more about this, I could see my wife in an EQS. If she happens to fall in love with it, that would be fine by me. She is, however, currently in love with her 2019 E450 Wagon, so I’m not sure she would be willing to give that one up.
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Stream, elaborate more if you will on comparing the EQS and the 222/223. I understood the EQS was not as roomy. How so, seats? shoulder room? greenhouse outlook? How was the back seat? You're one of the few who's seen/sat in these things and I'd like to hear more of your critical analysis. Thanks.
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Stream, elaborate more if you will on comparing the EQS and the 222/223. I understood the EQS was not as roomy. How so, seats? shoulder room? greenhouse outlook? How was the back seat? You're one of the few who's seen/sat in these things and I'd like to hear more of your critical analysis. Thanks.
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I saw an in-depth review on youtube a couple of days ago and wandered over here to see if actual longtime mercedes fans thought this was a decent car. I don't despise electric cars, but I would certainly buy the Taycan over this any day of the week.
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They are two pretty different cars. Some will prefer one over the other. That doesn't make one better or worse than the other.
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I'll tell you why he and other nay-sayers are posting on this sub-forum, they know EV's are inevitable and they'll eventually have to trade-in their ICE vehicle for an EV. Rather than except this truth they instead point out what they don't like or hate about the EQS (and other EV's no doubt) to make themselves feel better. If they want to remain a Mercedes owner they'll be buying a Mercedes EV in the next 5 to 10 years.
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I'll tell you why he and other nay-sayers are posting on this sub-forum, they know EV's are inevitable and they'll eventually have to trade-in their ICE vehicle for an EV. Rather than except this truth they instead point out what they don't like or hate about the EQS (and other EV's no doubt) to make themselves feel better. If they want to remain a Mercedes owner they'll be buying a Mercedes EV in the next 5 to 10 years.
BTW I just ordered the BMW IX as well for my wife. Not sure if she will like it, but her GLE450 will be 2 years old in January, and so I think we will be ready for a new SUV by the summer. The EQE SUV which won't be available for a couple of year is my guess. I'm also going to order the next generation Porsche 718 when that is announced. Apparently it will also be an EV. Sports car makes more sense in my garage than a Cybertruck.
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I'll tell you why he and other nay-sayers are posting on this sub-forum, they know EV's are inevitable and they'll eventually have to trade-in their ICE vehicle for an EV. Rather than except this truth they instead point out what they don't like or hate about the EQS (and other EV's no doubt) to make themselves feel better. If they want to remain a Mercedes owner they'll be buying a Mercedes EV in the next 5 to 10 years.
I have always enjoyed my MB when they are parked. Walking up to my beautiful S Coupe stirs more emotion in me than when I step of the pedal.
Lets stop being MB apologists, fanboys, and shills. DubVBenz was right. The exterior design is a disaster. There is no argument that this will be the ugliest car in the current MB lineup.
It may even be the ugliest car they have ever made. And IMO its ugly for no reason. Tesla and Lucid were able to get better range without resorting to jelly bean on wheels.
No frunk, a Chargeport that lacks simple luxury, an unnecessary and unsightly windshield washer port. The only thing they got right on the exterior is the Aero wheels. MB is the only one making aero wheels that actually look good.
I have a deposits placed for both a Lucid and an EQS. If I cant get the EQS with all the luxuries promised (Comfort Doors are potentially not available) then there is no way I can drive such a monstrosity without all the tech toys to justify buying such a design...
Even though I am still considering buying the car without comfort doors... I am such a MB fanboy.. SMH lol
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I guess beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. As a multiple Tesla owner, I find the design to be getting long in tooth. Other than a front end refresh, the overall design of the Tesla Model S has remained the same throughout its lifespan. The interior refresh was welcomed, but still not the level of plush that you would expect from a car north of $100K. And, there are disasters in every luxury EV right now. Why does Lucid have black front seats in an otherwise brown interior (supposedly because of the higher degree of wear to the front seats)? Why don't they offer a black interior? Why did Tesla put a yoke steering wheel in its refresh without an option to just get a normal steering wheel? Why didn't they turn up the luxury a notch on a $150K car? Why didn't Porsche/Audi put out a car with a range that even long time adopters such as me believe to be adequate? I cannot do my once weekly 150 mile trip to the office in a Taycan without contemplating the need to top off before starting back. And has anybody looked at Bucky Beaver BMW? What the hell is up with that grill? And, what about that range BMW? I have no problem with the EQS exterior design. I understand its purpose. It's not the most beautiful exterior design to an EV (that award would go to the Taycan in my opinion), but its objective to maximize range through minimizing Coefficient of Drag tends to work (although I am disappointed in the final EPA numbers for such a large battery pack). It's getting to be a competitive sector and in my opinion none are getting past third in what they've put out. Rivian, on the other hand, has put out a sweet truck that will set the bar for all further entries.
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I guess beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. As a multiple Tesla owner, I find the design to be getting long in tooth. Other than a front end refresh, the overall design of the Tesla Model S has remained the same throughout its lifespan. The interior refresh was welcomed, but still not the level of plush that you would expect from a car north of $100K. And, there are disasters in every luxury EV right now. Why does Lucid have black front seats in an otherwise brown interior (supposedly because of the higher degree of wear to the front seats)? Why don't they offer a black interior? Why did Tesla put a yoke steering wheel in its refresh without an option to just get a normal steering wheel? Why didn't they turn up the luxury a notch on a $150K car? Why didn't Porsche/Audi put out a car with a range that even long time adopters such as me believe to be adequate? I cannot do my once weekly 150 mile trip to the office in a Taycan without contemplating the need to top off before starting back. And has anybody looked at Bucky Beaver BMW? What the hell is up with that grill? And, what about that range BMW? I have no problem with the EQS exterior design. I understand its purpose. It's not the most beautiful exterior design to an EV (that award would go to the Taycan in my opinion), but its objective to maximize range through minimizing Coefficient of Drag tends to work (although I am disappointed in the final EPA numbers for such a large battery pack). It's getting to be a competitive sector and in my opinion none are getting past third in what they've put out. Rivian, on the other hand, has put out a sweet truck that will set the bar for all further entries.
Tesla Model S - stripped down vehicle with 10 year old design and lacking basic luxury features like massage seats, Apple CarPlay, Surround View Cameras, Ambient lighting, etc. The equipment levels on a Model S are more suited to competing with a Toyota or a Ford. The car is poorly built - lacks chassis rigidity which is really important to having a solid feel when driving. The obsession with the glass roof with no central cross bar leads to flex. The glass roof is also non dimmable and it radiates a ton of heat in the summer. No shade on the side windows either, although not surprising given lack of shade on roof.
Lucid - good effort, but it has those quirky mismatched seats, the door panels look cheap, and it has an excessively large glass roof with no sun shade (the photochromic glass doesn't properly darken the cabin). Also no side window shades. The feature set on this car are barely matching what you get on a Lexus or Acura, and well short of what you can get from a BMW or Mercedes. The same goes for the cabin finishes.
Taycan - beautiful car but tiny. The car is effectively three seater since the space behind the driver is not usable. In my test drive the drivers seat was touching the back seat. With a rear facing child seat in the back on the passenger side, the front passenger would also be cramped.
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I'll tell you why he and other nay-sayers are posting on this sub-forum, they know EV's are inevitable and they'll eventually have to trade-in their ICE vehicle for an EV. Rather than except this truth they instead point out what they don't like or hate about the EQS (and other EV's no doubt) to make themselves feel better. If they want to remain a Mercedes owner they'll be buying a Mercedes EV in the next 5 to 10 years.
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I ACCept that the future of cars, both as entertaining machines and personal property, is bleak. I ACCept that a EV is a great concept for a daily driver, local vehicle. I do not ACCept that ICE vehicles will ever disappear, for very obvious reasons. I simply have no desire for an MB egg. I can barely tolerate the grille star on my 212, but it at least hides the distronic well.
Based on comments posted to the Car and Driver review of the 450+ you are not alone in your critique of the EQS styling.
One of many such comments.
"Mercedes wrecked their design language in an attempt to extract a few more miles of range out of this jelly bean"
Best comment was
"Lucid in the sky with diamonds"
I do respect Mercedes for letting form follow function. It's not like they don't know what it looks like particularly in light of the fact that they have designed some of the most beautiful classic cars on the planet. I suspect that it will be an acquired taste. It is starting to grow on me particularly in the EQE form.
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So @stealth.pilot did you get to test drive the EQS? Or did family duties take over?
