Porsche fan on range
12-13-2021, 06:00 AM
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Porsche fan on range
RANGE - had posted in wrong forum. Sorry.
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Newbyloub , Yesterday 08:26 PM
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The EQS will not have "better range" than the
Taycan, it will have a "bigger battery" which will
absolutely make it drive like a boat. Efficiency
will likely be almost the exact same. Range
claims mean nothing, every company except
Porsche drastically overstates the range of their
EVs.. Porsche is literally the only company that
undersells it.
The interior is a matter of perspective. The EQS
looks way over the top and I much prefe the
clean, minimalistic approach of the Taycan”
My thinking - “Range,” given that driving conditions and situations, and driving styles, vary so much, doesn’t mean a thing.
All that matters is, “Can I get there as I am,
and if not, where can I get what I need?
To each his own.
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Newbyloub , Yesterday 08:26 PM
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The EQS will not have "better range" than the
Taycan, it will have a "bigger battery" which will
absolutely make it drive like a boat. Efficiency
will likely be almost the exact same. Range
claims mean nothing, every company except
Porsche drastically overstates the range of their
EVs.. Porsche is literally the only company that
undersells it.
The interior is a matter of perspective. The EQS
looks way over the top and I much prefe the
clean, minimalistic approach of the Taycan”
My thinking - “Range,” given that driving conditions and situations, and driving styles, vary so much, doesn’t mean a thing.
All that matters is, “Can I get there as I am,
and if not, where can I get what I need?
To each his own.
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12-13-2021, 07:20 AM
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I don't understand this view (not the only thing I don't understand unfortunately 
). If all that matters is, “Can I get there as I am, and if not, where can I get what I need", isn't it more likely to happen if the WLTP (or any other) range is better than for another car? The figure may not reflect one's personal driving style or current weather etc. but still the car with the higher rating is likely to get further. Exceptions may be e.g. from the lack of a heat pump for interior heating at cold weather but I think all EVs now have a heat pump (all Mercedes since the first B-class EV).
). If all that matters is, “Can I get there as I am, and if not, where can I get what I need", isn't it more likely to happen if the WLTP (or any other) range is better than for another car? The figure may not reflect one's personal driving style or current weather etc. but still the car with the higher rating is likely to get further. Exceptions may be e.g. from the lack of a heat pump for interior heating at cold weather but I think all EVs now have a heat pump (all Mercedes since the first B-class EV).
12-13-2021, 07:51 AM
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I don't understand this view (not the only thing I don't understand unfortunately ). If all that matters is, “Can I get there as I am, and if not, where can I get what I need", isn't it more likely to happen if the WLTP (or any other) range is better than for another car? The figure may not reflect one's personal driving style or current weather etc. but still the car with the higher rating is likely to get further. Exceptions may be e.g. from the lack of a heat pump for interior heating at cold weather but I think all EVs now have a heat pump (all Mercedes since the first B-class EV).
). If all that matters is, “Can I get there as I am, and if not, where can I get what I need", isn't it more likely to happen if the WLTP (or any other) range is better than for another car? The figure may not reflect one's personal driving style or current weather etc. but still the car with the higher rating is likely to get further. Exceptions may be e.g. from the lack of a heat pump for interior heating at cold weather but I think all EVs now have a heat pump (all Mercedes since the first B-class EV).I don’t understand “WLTP.”
Of course , everyone looks at “range” as he chooses to, I look at it as I expressed it - can I get where I want to go? If not, plug it in.
I don’t get the “heat pump” connection.
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I see, makes sense, but EQS should have the fastest charging capability amongst EVs (I've not seen any comparison to Porsche, just seen news titles). EQS should then better suite for trips where top up is needed during the trip.
12-13-2021, 09:01 AM
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From everything I’ve read, my 450+ will take me farther/longer than I want to drive in one day, just like my ‘18 S560 will. I don’t need anything more.
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EQS has a usable battery capacity of 107.8 kwh. Taycan has a usable battery capacity of 83.7 kwh.
The Edmunds range test (which I consider the most objective because it is performed on real roads at identical speeds) showed the Taycan achieved a real-world range of 263 miles, and the EQS achieved a real world range of 422 miles.
This means the EQS did 3.9 miles/kwh, and the Taycan did 3.14 miles per kwh. The EQS is also larger and heavier.
So the EQS s substantially more efficient than the Taycan. Does it drive in a more boat like manner than a Taycan - yes because it is heavier. But nonetheless it is better EV engineering from an efficiency standpoint to make a car that much larger with higher efficiency.
The Edmunds range test (which I consider the most objective because it is performed on real roads at identical speeds) showed the Taycan achieved a real-world range of 263 miles, and the EQS achieved a real world range of 422 miles.
This means the EQS did 3.9 miles/kwh, and the Taycan did 3.14 miles per kwh. The EQS is also larger and heavier.
So the EQS s substantially more efficient than the Taycan. Does it drive in a more boat like manner than a Taycan - yes because it is heavier. But nonetheless it is better EV engineering from an efficiency standpoint to make a car that much larger with higher efficiency.
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EQS has a usable battery capacity of 107.8 kwh. Taycan has a usable battery capacity of 83.7 kwh.
The Edmunds range test (which I consider the most objective because it is performed on real roads at identical speeds) showed the Taycan achieved a real-world range of 263 miles, and the EQS achieved a real world range of 422 miles.
This means the EQS did 3.9 miles/kwh, and the Taycan did 3.14 miles per kwh. The EQS is also larger and heavier.
So the EQS s substantially more efficient than the Taycan. Does it drive in a more boat like manner than a Taycan - yes because it is heavier. But nonetheless it is better EV engineering from an efficiency standpoint to make a car that much larger with higher efficiency.
The Edmunds range test (which I consider the most objective because it is performed on real roads at identical speeds) showed the Taycan achieved a real-world range of 263 miles, and the EQS achieved a real world range of 422 miles.
This means the EQS did 3.9 miles/kwh, and the Taycan did 3.14 miles per kwh. The EQS is also larger and heavier.
So the EQS s substantially more efficient than the Taycan. Does it drive in a more boat like manner than a Taycan - yes because it is heavier. But nonetheless it is better EV engineering from an efficiency standpoint to make a car that much larger with higher efficiency.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ele...s-edmunds.html
The Taycan 4S in the comparison is AWD vs the EQS 450+ RWD, additionally the Taycan 4S's 0-60 is 3.8 vs Mercedes reports the EQS 450 0-60 to be 5.9 seconds.
12-14-2021, 11:29 AM
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Just as a clarification for everyone, the original post is a copy of a post made on a Taycan forum back in March before the car was unveiled.
Taycan Forum: EQS vs Taycan
Taycan Forum: EQS vs Taycan
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The Taycan is closer to the Panamera which does get compared to the S Class. Having said that, the EQS is a luxo-barge vs the Taycan which is a proper sporting vehicle.
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12-15-2021, 08:19 PM
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From a size perspective a Taycan is in between a Mercedes C-Class and an E-Class. The Panamera is a little bigger than E-Class. From a cabin perspective the Panamera has a much larger cabin than the Taycan. They are different classes of vehicle from a size perspective. Comparing a Taycan to an EQS is ludicrous except when it comes to price.
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From a size perspective a Taycan is in between a Mercedes C-Class and an E-Class. The Panamera is a little bigger than E-Class. From a cabin perspective the Panamera has a much larger cabin than the Taycan. They are different classes of vehicle from a size perspective. Comparing a Taycan to an EQS is ludicrous except when it comes to price.
This reviewer thinks that the Taycan and the EQS are in the same category.
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/th...-reviews.7050/
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