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With my Tesla's it was quite normal to have a 25-30% loss of range in the winter. This is why it's important to purchase a vehicle that has as much range as possible if you live in a "winter" state. ICE vehicles also take a hit in the cold also, but it usually isn't as great as an electric vehicle, 15-20%.. We've just become accustomed to the reduction and don't register it in our minds like we do with electric vehicles.
It’s 20 F outside; at 80% charge indicated range is 320.
Car is in a 55F heated garage.
A month ago, same garage, temperatures in 70s-80s, range was 415.
Exact same here. I haven't taken it on a long drive since the temperature dipped. One sure sure way to kill the range is to run the heater full blast. I keep the cabin at 66 and use the seat warmer to kill the chill for a few minutes (the bun warmers are super fast and very effective). Very comfortable since heat distribution is excellent. Ill be taking it on a road trip this weekend so Ill be able to get better highway numbers. BTW I discovered why snow tires dont affect range at all. The tires are much skinnier. The summer tires are 265 the winters are 235. You don't notice much of a handling difference unless you push it pretty hard where a more pronounced body lean is evident. Another interesting thing is you cant really "see" how much skinner they are, maybe its the rim design. A difference of 3cm in width is usually readily noticeable. Otherwise, the LM005 perform spectacularly on spirited driving. They also have excellent snow and ice performance. Excellent choice by MB.
Exact same here. I haven't taken it on a long drive since the temperature dipped. One sure sure way to kill the range is to run the heater full blast. I keep the cabin at 66 and use the seat warmer to kill the chill for a few minutes (the bun warmers are super fast and very effective). Very comfortable since heat distribution is excellent. Ill be taking it on a road trip this weekend so Ill be able to get better highway numbers. BTW I discovered why snow tires dont affect range at all. The tires are much skinnier. The summer tires are 265 the winters are 235. You don't notice much of a handling difference unless you push it pretty hard where a more pronounced body lean is evident. Another interesting thing is you cant really "see" how much skinner they are, maybe its the rim design. A difference of 3cm in width is usually readily noticeable. Otherwise, the LM005 perform spectacularly on spirited driving. They also have excellent snow and ice performance. Excellent choice by MB.
I noticed a big hit on range with highs in the low to mid 20s last week. At 80% charge the range went from a high of 380+ miles to about 275 this past week. I expected that would be the case.
This car loves temperatures in the 70s to even the low 90s.
No idea of what ramifications, if any, may arise from that, but winter’s range limitations don’t cause me any problems.
It’ll just be a matter of charging slightly more often.
Forget about the indicated range. There are so many variables such as temperature outside, use of AC or heat inside, wind resistance, how flat or hilly the area, how fast you accelerate and your top speed those range numbers are irrelevant….
Forget about the indicated range. There are so many variables such as temperature outside, use of AC or heat inside, wind resistance, how flat or hilly the area, how fast you accelerate and your top speed those range numbers are irrelevant….
Of course they are, in a general sense. To me, and, I gather to some others, it’s still interesting to see how it changes, and to what extent, when the only differing factor is the ambient outside temperature.
My experience so far is that anyone planning a long trip in a area with few charging stations using the indicated range figures is going to end up sitting on the side of the road waiting for AAA. They are not a bit accurate or consistent.
My experience so far is that anyone planning a long trip in a area with few charging stations using the indicated range figures is going to end up sitting on the side of the road waiting for AAA. They are not a bit accurate or consistent.
I expect you’re exactly right.
That’s not going to happen to me, for a number of reasons.
I've had my 450+ since last January 2nd. The range prediction increased quite a bit when the temps in Texas got into the 80's and 90's, and continued all Summer. Now, they are dropping again, with the cold temps. It is interesting. I have also charged to 90% several times, and will probably do so frequently.
Yesterday took aroad 250 mile road trip on snow covered roads with temps in the low teens. After charging to 100 Its predicting 308 miles of range. Pretty darned good. Economy setting is very good when the going gets slippery.
Yesterday took aroad 250 mile road trip on snow covered roads with temps in the low teens. After charging to 100 Its predicting 308 miles of range. Pretty darned good. Economy setting is very good when the going gets slippery.
Economy setting - do you mean that is good for range or just less likely to slide as power is blunted? I would assume there is an efficiency advantage, but just eyeballing the consumption I did not think it was a lot better than Comfort. In first Tesla's, range mode (equivalent of eco) had a substantial impact.
Economy setting - do you mean that is good for range or just less likely to slide as power is blunted? I would assume there is an efficiency advantage, but just eyeballing the consumption I did not think it was a lot better than Comfort. In first Tesla's, range mode (equivalent of eco) had a substantial impact.
In fact, both. On eco the acceleration is very dulled unless you floor it. It makes easy to keep your power percentage at 10% or less. Since the road conditions were very slippery cruise control was not an option, so a dulled pedal makes it easy to keep those KW and HP low. In the beginning, I thought Eco mode was sort of a gimmick but, I have learned to like it. The 580s acceleration borders ridiculous so even when dulled it is more than plenty for normal driving. If you require the extra grunt all you have to do is floor it.
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I have a question on miles remaining and max miles remaining. It was 10 degrees this morning when I drove about 10 miles to go play tennis. I noticed the miles remaining was plummeting for a while until the battery warmed up. Then, the loss in range slowed down considerably. On the lower left corner of the driver display, it said 220 miles but the max was something like 254 miles. Does this mean that if I were to keep driving, I would actually get 254 miles under these environmental conditions?
You should be able to go to the “consumption “ screen and see the Watts per Mile you are using for your current drive. This picture is when you first start the 580 and the screen has cleaned and starts fresh for the trip.
Last edited by Utopia Texas; Dec 3, 2022 at 03:51 PM.
You should be able to go to the “consumption “ screen and see the Watts per Mile you are using for your current drive. This picture is when you first start the 580 and the screen has cleaned and starts fresh for the trip.
Thank you for this info. I’ll take a look at it tomorrow although the the temperature will be near 40 tomorrow afternoon when I’m driving to Ames, IA for a big basketball game between Iowa State and St. John’s.
Today I took the same roadtrip as 3 days ago. Temp a steady 9 to 10 F otherwise good driving conditions. Whole trip at night, so highbeams and 65mph the whole way. I started with around 90% charge. Trip is 185 miles. To make a long story short, range at 90% under these conditions was 210 miles. By the time I got home I had 12% battery and I just entered reserve battery with a predicted range of 30 miles.Thus, at 10 degrees, at night expect around a max of around 250 miles. In daytime I would guess another 30 miles. Beware!! The lower the mercury goes the shorter (much shorter) your range will get. If the weather continues I should be able to test below 0F Before the new year! Running the headlamps is a huge drain.
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