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Showing what is the equivalent of about 338 miles of range for 100% at 38F this morning. With the deep freeze coming I am hoping for the best! Luckily I rarely have to drive very far on a daily basis. I really think the 21" AMG wheels with Summer rubber affect range a good deal more than I thought they would. They also emit a low-pitched drone at speeds above 50 MPH. The price I pay to look more stylish!
Latest estimate before tomorrow's trip. NOTE: This is the estimate after spending all day below zero and using the cabin preconditioning while unplugged.
Last edited by c4004matic; Dec 22, 2022 at 09:11 PM.
Here we go! Temp -11 pretty the entire way (weather channel says -13). First leg of the trip. Cruise at 55, temp 65, winds 10-15mph In summary 24% battery for 42 miles. 180 miles total range. OUCH! road cinditions were good but patchy ice.
Last edited by c4004matic; Dec 23, 2022 at 09:48 AM.
Here we go! Temp -11 pretty the entire way (weather channel says -13). First leg of the trip. Cruise at 55, temp 65, winds 10-15mph In summary 24% battery for 42 miles. 180 miles total range. OUCH! road cinditions were good but patchy ice.
Yikes, that hurts! Unfortunately I have summer tires so am a little hesitant to test the range, but the sun is out currently and we woke to wind chills of -2F. Current ambient temperature is 20F with a windchill of 7F. I might venture out as we have had no precipitation and there should not be any ice. Still, with my summer rubber turning solid it could be an interesting 5 mile drive.
Up to 1725 miles on my AMG EQS and starting to realize the huge range limitation during cold weather and likely the same expected during summer with AC versus HEAT.
I was charging to 80% and recharging when down to 25%, changed about a week ago to 90% when down to no less than 20% and last night charged to 100%. Minimum shows at 188 and maximum at 278. Based on maintaining charge and use notes I am making, recognize effectively 1.5 to 2.0 miles per percent of charge with a significant toll when using Climate Preconditioning at 3:15pm Mon thru Friday, that robs a few percent each day but makes it a pleasure to enter a warm vehicle!
My to and from work only 6-miles each way that consumes a daily total of about 8% plus a few more for the climate heat. But when was only charging to 80% when down to even 20%, the available 60% resulted in no more than a 90 mile range, a terrible limitation. Fortunately have a Charge Point in my garage within 5-feet of the charging door so no big deal to plug in frequently. On the other hand, pretty concerned about driving anywhere out of my area and effective range so will default to my G63 for anything farther.
Interesting. I’m in New England where the temperature today is 54. I have summer tires as the car will be in Florida soon. So much for this once in a generation storm. We got wind and rain, thankfully no snow. Cold weather is coming in and I will hopefully be in Florida by mid January. Will be interested in seeing how much my range improves once I get into the “warmer “ climate.
Up to 1725 miles on my AMG EQS and starting to realize the huge range limitation during cold weather and likely the same expected during summer with AC versus HEAT.
I was charging to 80% and recharging when down to 25%, changed about a week ago to 90% when down to no less than 20% and last night charged to 100%. Minimum shows at 188 and maximum at 278. Based on maintaining charge and use notes I am making, recognize effectively 1.5 to 2.0 miles per percent of charge with a significant toll when using Climate Preconditioning at 3:15pm Mon thru Friday, that robs a few percent each day but makes it a pleasure to enter a warm vehicle!
My to and from work only 6-miles each way that consumes a daily total of about 8% plus a few more for the climate heat. But when was only charging to 80% when down to even 20%, the available 60% resulted in no more than a 90 mile range, a terrible limitation. Fortunately have a Charge Point in my garage within 5-feet of the charging door so no big deal to plug in frequently. On the other hand, pretty concerned about driving anywhere out of my area and effective range so will default to my G63 for anything farther.
Trust me. There’s no comparison on range between AC and heat. AC hardly makes a dent. I drove many miles in the heat in central IA over the summer and I didn’t see much lower range at all with temperatures in the 90s compared to temperatures in the 70s in the spring.
Last edited by AppleFan1; Dec 23, 2022 at 02:46 PM.
Took off in the 20F ambient environment for a quick 10 mile round trip drive. Started with a range of 300 miles in my garage (55F) and 89% SOC. Pulled out and waited for my passengers with low heater on at 75 degrees and 4 seat heaters on setting 2. Range dropped to 292 miles in the 4 min it took them to load up. Drove 5 miles and parked in the cold for about 30 min while shopping. Pre-conditioned the vehicle to 75F for about 8 min, loaded up, restored the previous climate setting and used the 4 seat heaters all with massage function. Showed them a few acceleration runs on the 5 miles home. Currently back in the garage with 85% SOC and a range of 270 miles.
The only electronic gremlin that reared its head was the "Charging socket flap open" warning which still shows on my Mercedes Me app. Obviously it isn't open so I ignored it. I expect it to resolve with warmer weather but will have it looked at if it doesn't.
Finally on my second leg of the trip, again, the battery was cold soaked through and through. The power was again limited but instead of 90% power it wss 80% from the get go at 75 SOC. Got exactly the same range as before. Soooooo... in a worst case scenario: 200 to 220 miles is it. Given how the winter is starting, I might have a chance to test it at -20 or so some time soon. Though -13 is close enough. 😂
Trust me. There’s no comparison on range between AC and heat. AC hardly makes a dent. I drove many miles in the heat in central IA over the summer and I didn’t see much lower range at all with temperatures in the 90s compared to temperatures in the 70s in the spring.
I can only agree with this.
I have an EQE SUV on order and have no direct experience with EQ cars yet, but I will share a couple of links I found very useful for decision making when doing my research.
Scroll down to the middle of the page and find the range-estimator. Never mind that it's in Swedish. It's totally intuitive to use, if you keep in mind that the "klimatisering aktiverad" button = A/C / Heat "on".
In my two screenshot examples below, I have the estimator set for an EQS 580. First one is extreme heat. Second one is Extreme cold. I realize that government-range estimates don't always reflect reality, but the estimator still nicely illustrates the point about the impact of temperature and driving conditions. And it shows that driving in extreme heat is not nearly as bad as driving in extreme cold.
Just charged my car to 100% - been driving locally lately in Western PA with front and rear heaters running. Regularly seeing 800 Wh/mi, and today 100% showed me an expected range of 202 mi!
how does this work? I owned a Tesla for years so I understand cold weather effects. But how does the eqs estimate range? Based on the last few hundred miles of driving?
I'm supposed to take it on a 130 mi round trip tomorrow, and debating taking the ICE (with the family using just the seat warmers with minimal heat is not an option).
Edit - last trip I got 1.1 mpKwh!
Last edited by RobotGuyPA; Dec 24, 2022 at 08:18 AM.
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Just charged my car to 100% - been driving locally lately in Western PA with front and rear heaters running. Regularly seeing 800 Wh/mi, and today 100% showed me an expected range of 202 mi!
how does this work? I owned a Tesla for years so I understand cold weather effects. But how does the eqs estimate range? Based on the last few hundred miles of driving?
I'm supposed to take it on a 130 mi round trip tomorrow, and debating taking the ICE (with the family using just the seat warmers with minimal heat is not an option).
Here’s a great example of how temperature affects mileage. When it was frigid here in northeast Ohio several days ago, the range indicator was at 295 miles at 100%. Today, I took it for a few miles drive at a very balmy near 60 degrees and it jumped to 330 miles. It will still be very unseasonably warm (50’s to low 60’s until we reach eastern Iowa where it will be in the 30’s for the rest of the trip) Tuesday when we head back to central Iowa.
Here’s a bold prediction for you. The Arctic blast that we lived through for several days will be the coldest temperatures we shall see the rest of the winter. Incredible change in the upper air pattern.
Here’s a great example of how temperature affects mileage. When it was frigid here in northeast Ohio several days ago, the range indicator was at 295 miles at 100%. Today, I took it for a few miles drive at a very balmy near 60 degrees and it jumped to 330 miles. It will still be very unseasonably warm (50’s to low 60’s until we reach eastern Iowa where it will be in the 30’s for the rest of the trip) Tuesday when we head back to central Iowa. Here’s a bold prediction for you. The Arctic blast that we lived through for several days will be the coldest temperatures we shall see the rest of the winter. Incredible change in the upper air pattern.
Dont count on it. One or two more boom cyclones usually happen. Central WI is usually right on the border of the jet stream so we can expect this type of weather pattern on and off every few weeks or so.
Dont count on it. One or two more boom cyclones usually happen. Central WI is usually right on the border of the jet stream so we can expect this type of weather pattern on and off every few weeks or so.
Remember that I said “we have seen the coldest temperatures we shall see the rest of the winter”. We/you can have one or two more boom cyclones but not necessarily the incredible cold that we saw recently.
Just joined the forum. Bought 2 cars 3 weeks ago - I drive the EQS 580 and my wife got the EQS 580 SUV. I just came out of a Porsche Taycan 4S to get a better ride, tech and (I assumed) about 100 miles more range. I haven't figured out the range yet. Mercedes advertises 340 miles on 100% charge on the 580 sedan, 285 on the SUV. I'm going to show some pics of what I normally see. I charged to 100%, garage temp 52F, outside temp 34F. This gets me the following:
Min - 219, Max - 337, Actual 280
After driving 1 mile, the numbers are
Min - 219, Max - 334, Actual 259
This means I lost 21 miles of actual range in just 1 mile.
After driving 13 miles to my destination
Min - 204, Max - 313, Actual 249
This means I lost 31 miles of range in 13 miles, or an actual loss of 18 miles of range.
After completing my 26 mile round trip
Min - 193, Max - 294, Actual 230
This means I lost 50 miles or range in 26 miles or an actual loss of 24 miles or range.
My speed to destination was about 68 mph in comfort mode, nearly all highway. While I see 337 miles as an estimate of the "Max" miles I can achieve, I can't figure out how a normal driver can achieve that range. I'd love to have an explanation. If 280 is the "real world" range for an EQS 580, I've only gained 40 miles against the Porsche. The Porsche was exact. There wasn't a minimum or maximum and then "what you're gonna get..." number. If 280 is what an EQS driver can expect, than we've all bit on false advertising from Mercedes - unless I'm missing something.
Thanks, in advance, for any help on this.
In the garage prior to departure at 100% charge. After driving 1 mile. After driving 13 miles After 26 miles, back in the garage.
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