“Not so fast” on electric chargers
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“Not so fast” on electric chargers
This article is quite concerning. It may take years longer to have a reliable charging network in-spite of the infrastructure bill. There are multiple problems. Most of us have already experienced some problems.
https://apple.news/Al_2-G2B8TumwUSxSBQ0kzw
Sorry. I’m having trouble attaching an easy link so that can touch it and bingo: There’s the article.
https://apple.news/Al_2-G2B8TumwUSxSBQ0kzw
Sorry. I’m having trouble attaching an easy link so that can touch it and bingo: There’s the article.
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Dont worry, you don't need to read any further than "Toyota CEO" to know that its garbage. Toyota got caught with their pants down and now they are playing the scare tactics card while they try to catch up.
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For those that can view the article, I welcome any comments/thoughts anyone here has about this article. It seems to make total sense.
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I certainly hope you’re right that it’s a scare tactic from Toyota.
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Do you mean people need to have a subscription to the Journal to view it? I don’t think that’s the case since it’s on Apple News and not on Apple News+. I could be wrong though.
For those that can view the article, I welcome any comments/thoughts anyone here has about this article. It seems to make total sense.
For those that can view the article, I welcome any comments/thoughts anyone here has about this article. It seems to make total sense.
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Do you mean people need to have a subscription to the Journal to view it? I don’t think that’s the case since it’s on Apple News and not on Apple News+. I could be wrong though.
For those that can view the article, I welcome any comments/thoughts anyone here has about this article. It seems to make total sense.
For those that can view the article, I welcome any comments/thoughts anyone here has about this article. It seems to make total sense.
As for the article, I'll echo other comments that Toyota is pretty well known for their FUD. The author of the article posts the inflammatory headline as opinion and then uses the comments from the states as "evidence" when they actually just read as states making valid observations about potential risks. For example, Arizona warns about "cyber vulnerabilities" compromising financial transactions, as if it's different from current financial risks. Or a University of California study finding DCFC chargers are poorly maintained, which is pretty well known already.
Then she posts pretty egregious anecdotes like stating as fact that EVs get 54% of rated range in cold, as if it's the case for all EVs. Or the standard scare tactic about being stranded in an EV in the cold.
This is FUD using a warning from a CEO of a known EV laggard combined with somewhat reasonable risk analysis from a few states while leaving out the full analysis, with a few cherrypicked scare stats. IE, this is the typical WSJ "feel good" piece for her readers to say "see, I told you I'm right" at the Christmas dinner table.
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FYI it does require a sub but Apple News+ lets you bypass the paywall.
As for the article, I'll echo other comments that Toyota is pretty well known for their FUD. The author of the article posts the inflammatory headline as opinion and then uses the comments from the states as "evidence" when they actually just read as states making valid observations about potential risks. For example, Arizona warns about "cyber vulnerabilities" compromising financial transactions, as if it's different from current financial risks. Or a University of California study finding DCFC chargers are poorly maintained, which is pretty well known already.
Then she posts pretty egregious anecdotes like stating as fact that EVs get 54% of rated range in cold, as if it's the case for all EVs. Or the standard scare tactic about being stranded in an EV in the cold.
This is FUD using a warning from a CEO of a known EV laggard combined with somewhat reasonable risk analysis from a few states while leaving out the full analysis, with a few cherrypicked scare stats. IE, this is the typical WSJ "feel good" piece for her readers to say "see, I told you I'm right" at the Christmas dinner table.
As for the article, I'll echo other comments that Toyota is pretty well known for their FUD. The author of the article posts the inflammatory headline as opinion and then uses the comments from the states as "evidence" when they actually just read as states making valid observations about potential risks. For example, Arizona warns about "cyber vulnerabilities" compromising financial transactions, as if it's different from current financial risks. Or a University of California study finding DCFC chargers are poorly maintained, which is pretty well known already.
Then she posts pretty egregious anecdotes like stating as fact that EVs get 54% of rated range in cold, as if it's the case for all EVs. Or the standard scare tactic about being stranded in an EV in the cold.
This is FUD using a warning from a CEO of a known EV laggard combined with somewhat reasonable risk analysis from a few states while leaving out the full analysis, with a few cherrypicked scare stats. IE, this is the typical WSJ "feel good" piece for her readers to say "see, I told you I'm right" at the Christmas dinner table.
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I haven't subscribed to the WSJ for lo, these many decades. If I see a reference and try to open it I'm told I need to subscribe. No way. But I don't subscribe to anything that costs me money.
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I don’t subscribe to WSJ either but I have a subscription to Apple TV+. That’s how I got the article. In any case, several forum people have already mentioned that the article is gunk. Very biased by Toyota (totally behind the eight ball when it comes to EV’s) comments.
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50 kw charger can be put up anywhere, no particular infrastructure is necessary. Yes, 50 KW is slow, but it's most certainly doable for most trips. 2 hrs for a full charge. Since there is no ramp up or ramp down, it's a steady 50k up to 90 SOC or so. 150kw is the goldilocks charger since that is the average bulk charge rate anyway. Faster is just gravy for a quick charge. I find that 50kw Chargepoint chargers are some of the best and most reliable.
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50 kw charger can be put up anywhere, no particular infrastructure is necessary. Yes, 50 KW is slow, but it's most certainly doable for most trips. 2 hrs for a full charge. Since there is no ramp up or ramp down, it's a steady 50k up to 90 SOC or so. 150kw is the goldilocks charger since that is the average bulk charge rate anyway. Faster is just gravy for a quick charge. I find that 50kw Chargepoint chargers are some of the best and most reliable.
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EA. Charge Point has a ton of level 2 chargers. I have never seen a 350kw one though they do sell them. Again I have a very stilted view of what is available since WI is still a DC charger "desert". Most of the northern tier if the state has only 50kw chargers at best. Even Tesla superchargers are non existent once you get "up north" and are few state-wide.
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EA. Charge Point has a ton of level 2 chargers. I have never seen a 350kw one though they do sell them. Again I have a very stilted view of what is available since WI is still a DC charger "desert". Most of the northern tier if the state has only 50kw chargers at best. Even Tesla superchargers are non existent once you get "up north" and are few state-wide.
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There are no EV or Charge Point DC chargers in my densly populated county with ~3,650 people per square mile.
There are a couple of restricted Tesla superchargers, but those don't work for non-Tesla owners.
There are a couple of restricted Tesla superchargers, but those don't work for non-Tesla owners.
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I’ve found that the EA charger is plug and play but I have to use the RF tag or my phone (Apple wallet ) to use ChargePoint chargers.
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