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There are many reasons why EVs are not a solution to environmental issues. EVs are environmentally neutral at best. Batteries have a myriad of issues centered on mining, refining and disposal. EVs simply relocate widely distributed air pollution and concentrate it around electricity generation facilities. Most electric generation in the US relies on fossil fuel. Nuclear has its own environmental risks including mining, refining and disposal of waste. If you rob Peter to pay Paul you end up with a sore Peter. The only source of environmentally friendly and reliable electricity is by using water, i.e., hydroelectric.
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There are many reasons why EVs are not a solution to environmental issues. EVs are environmentally neutral at best. Batteries have a myriad of issues centered on mining, refining and disposal. EVs simply relocate widely distributed air pollution and concentrate it around electricity generation facilities. Most electric generation in the US relies on fossil fuel. Nuclear has its own environmental risks including mining, refining and disposal of waste. If you rob Peter to pay Paul you end up with a sore Peter. The only source of environmentally friendly and reliable electricity is by using water, i.e., hydroelectric.
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Most of the world's electricity is produced by burning coal!
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The plight of the $130,000 car buyer doesn't usually draw much attention lol.
I mean, its annoying? But I wish I had enough free mental space to be irritated for more than 40 seconds over paying $210 for tags.
They don't get any gas taxes, they're going to get their taxes somehow. Expect every state to charge a similar fee for EVs. Its literally 3 tanks of gas...who cares?
I mean, its annoying? But I wish I had enough free mental space to be irritated for more than 40 seconds over paying $210 for tags.
They don't get any gas taxes, they're going to get their taxes somehow. Expect every state to charge a similar fee for EVs. Its literally 3 tanks of gas...who cares?
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Stay tuned to more and more carmaker CEO statements. Toyota's CEO late last year made a public comment that EVs should likely not be the only option. Tavares from Stellantis recently commented about cost (to carmakers) of EVs and the lack of ability to scale them from a manufacturing/supply chain point of view and from a charging infrastrutcure point of view. Let alone the well-known fact that EVs are incapable of solving every use case.
In other news, carmakers are pushing back (delaying) timelines to broaden their fleet electrification.
In other news, carmakers are pushing back (delaying) timelines to broaden their fleet electrification.
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I wouldn't listen to anything Toyota says about EVs, they misjudged the market and are so woefully behind in EV tech they will say anything to try and remain relevant. I also wouldn't listen to Stellantis at all.
When companies like Mercedes and BMW back off, I will listen. Otherwise its ineffective leaders just trying to hide how badly they have been caught with their pants down.
When companies like Mercedes and BMW back off, I will listen. Otherwise its ineffective leaders just trying to hide how badly they have been caught with their pants down.
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There are many reasons why EVs are not a solution to environmental issues. EVs are environmentally neutral at best. Batteries have a myriad of issues centered on mining, refining and disposal. EVs simply relocate widely distributed air pollution and concentrate it around electricity generation facilities. Most electric generation in the US relies on fossil fuel. Nuclear has its own environmental risks including mining, refining and disposal of waste. If you rob Peter to pay Paul you end up with a sore Peter. The only source of environmentally friendly and reliable electricity is by using water, i.e., hydroelectric.
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How do you come to that conclusion? You must be omitting the CO₂ emissions from the fossil fuel being burned to generate the power used by EV's. Per MIT.edu, manufacturing an 80 kWh battery in China produces up to 16,000 tonnes of CO₂. My car produces about 1 tonne of CO₂ during an entire year of driving. Another tidbit is that every tonne of mined lithium produces 15 tonnes of CO₂. Once again EV's simply redistribute and concentrate CO₂ emissions to non-US parts of the world.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/a...e-environment/
While the C02 emissions may be generated locally it's not like they don't mix into the entire atmosphere and only have local impact on climate change.
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/ther...n-we-remove-it
Having said the above EV's are not the panacea for transportation contribution to climate change. If we were truly serious we would focus on increasing use of public transportation
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I wouldn't listen to anything Toyota says about EVs, they misjudged the market and are so woefully behind in EV tech they will say anything to try and remain relevant. I also wouldn't listen to Stellantis at all.
When companies like Mercedes and BMW back off, I will listen. Otherwise its ineffective leaders just trying to hide how badly they have been caught with their pants down.
When companies like Mercedes and BMW back off, I will listen. Otherwise its ineffective leaders just trying to hide how badly they have been caught with their pants down.
To ignore two of the largest automaker CEOs makes no sense to me.
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"Toyota among the ‘2022 world’s most obstructive companies on climate policy’ with oil giants"
https://electrek.co/2022/11/04/toyot...e-policy-2022/
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8699435[/url]]MB is a has-been automaker. They are reaching for the stars tech-wise and falling on their faces reliability- and delivered quality-wise.
To ignore two of the largest automaker CEOs makes no sense to me.
To ignore two of the largest automaker CEOs makes no sense to me.
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Not omitting the C02 from upstream energy generation or the C02 required for battery production. Sure if your use case is to drive a 1000 miles a year it will be a long time for the EV to recover the sunk cost of the battery generation but then its life cycle will extend accordingly.
Having said the above EV's are not the panacea for transportation contribution to climate change. If we were truly serious we would focus on increasing use of public transportation
Having said the above EV's are not the panacea for transportation contribution to climate change. If we were truly serious we would focus on increasing use of public transportation
People will avoid public surface transportation due to the inflexible route structure and inconvenient schedules, inability to transport "things" with the passenger, cleanliness and safety. The common advice at O'hare airport is that if you want to arrive downtown with your bags, do not take the CTA.
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I drive slightly less than 4,000 miles per year as does my working full time daughter. An EV battery will die of old age regardless of the miles driven.
People will avoid public surface transportation due to the inflexible route structure and inconvenient schedules, inability to transport "things" with the passenger, cleanliness and safety. The common advice at O'hare airport is that if you want to arrive downtown with your bags, do not take the CTA.
People will avoid public surface transportation due to the inflexible route structure and inconvenient schedules, inability to transport "things" with the passenger, cleanliness and safety. The common advice at O'hare airport is that if you want to arrive downtown with your bags, do not take the CTA.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...id=45023&#tab2
The comment on public transportation is more a sad statement about the state of this country than an invalidation of the merit of it as a means of emissions reductions.
https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-ti...y-transit-tips
We traveled across Ireland and France without a car just fine. Intend to do the same in Italy.
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You are a leisure traveler most likely traveling by train in Europe where distances are short and trains are plentiful. Were you also carrying luggage? That doesn't work for a typical driver in the US who is on a tight schedule and carrying work materials. The US was developed around the automobile. Trains are almost non-existent. Urban sprawl is ever present. Los Angeles has an area of 469 sq. miles. Greater Los Angeles has an area of 2,281 sq. miles. Simply stated public transportation is not practical in urban sprawl areas.
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In my state, the legislature did this a few years ago. It seemed to be political at the time to punish the perceived liberals who were wanting to drive EV's. But I get it that we are not paying fuel tax, and using the roads. As more states added this extra fee, it feels less punitive to me.
