https://electrek.co/2023/07/07/merce...ts-tesla-nacs/

 

So do those of us that have current builds get a free adapter? 😊

 

That is a fair question based on these two statements
How will MBs access Teslas superchargers in 2025 if NACS wont be in their cars until 2025. I assume 2024s will come with a free adapter or at least be have the option to purchase.
Hopefully prior owners will have the option to buy the adapter.

 

If they copy Rivian, current owners will get the adapter for free. And it will be plug and charge.

 

For 2024 customers that might be the case but not for prior customers. And when we say "free" that just means that it will be included in the MSRP.
We are talking about the same Mercedes that disables installed items in customers cars and then charges customers additional fees to use those items?
Don't expect them to give anyone anything for free?

 

Here is the announcement.

Dear Mercedes-Benz Dealers,
Announced today, Mercedes-Benz will expand charging options for our customers, providing access to the Tesla Supercharger network in North America beginning in 2024. As part of a phased transition, we will initially offer an adapter that enables charging on the North American Charging Standard (NACS) network. Mercedes-Benz will be the first German OEM to integrate NACS ports into their electric vehicle line-up starting in 2025. With this announcement, we are giving our customers access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers in North America.
The Tesla Supercharger network will be fully integrated into Mercedes me Charge, allowing our drivers to see Superchargers on the map in the vehicle and the app including availability status and price. Customers can then seamlessly access the chargers and automatically pay for their charging sessions. The Superchargers will also be integrated in the Navigation with Electric Intelligence, which calculates a convenient and time-efficient route including charging stops.
Additionally, the Mercedes-Benz High-Power Charging Network is well underway, with the first charging hub opening by the end of this year which will be equipped with both CCS1 and NACS plugs. In total, our network will add more than 2,500 high-power chargers by the end of the decade. With the integration of NACS in our vehicles and the development of our own high-power charging network, we are setting new standards for EV charging infrastructure, enabling convenient, fast, safe and green charging of our electric vehicles. This is a significant milestone to celebrate during our transformation to electric, further solidifying Mercedes-Benz as the most desired electric luxury brand in North America.
If you have any questions regarding the above, please read the full press release here or contact us at charge@mbusa.com.

 

Here is the question that I am still not clear about. Is it possible to make an adapter for NACS to CCS for existing 2022 and 2023 cars with the current charging tech that is built into the vehicles?

Or will you have to have a 2024 for the NACS to CCS work?

For me, with everything I have read, this is not clear. I don't mind paying 200-300 for an adapter (I was going to buy an adapter to use tesla destination chargers anyway), but I would want to be able to automatically be able to use the existing network of Tesla on my existing 2023 EQS SUV

Also is a NACS plug different than the existing Tesla supercharger plug? Because I don't understand if existing Tesla superchargers will work with a NACS to CCS adapter or will this only work if it is V4 supercharger (the new ones they are rolling out)?

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From what I understand an adapter is possible because underlying protocol is same. Tesla has to allow for car VIN at their chargers though which is where these deals come in.

 

Everyone thinks this is earth shattering news. Its not. Tesla has resisted allowing adapters on their DC fast chargers since day one. In fact, the few that popped up were quickly killed by software denial. All they are doing now is allowing adapters from other manufacturers. Something that Teslas have always been able to do on CCS. And finally something that were doing anyway to qualify for billions in Fed money. This is the biggest non news in EV history. BTW they are not making any licensing money either they simply acquiesced to other brands using adaters on their chargers.

 

A charging station should be as ubiquitous as a gas station. Tesla's Superchargers are a big help to that point. Good news (adapters are easy) in my point of view.

 

Not sure what you mean by "non news".
It is a big "deal", as other cars simply cannot use the Tesla chargers without a "deal" even if you have the correct adapter. Nothing would happen without this "news".

And it is the first domino to fall for German brands.

 

.. but I don't want to wait. Elon could pick up the phone right now and call someone in China and there'd be a million adapters made by the end of the month. Deal should be no government money until they open up their charging network completely. If they want to wait until 2024 to get paid then fine, otherwise ADAPTER NOW. I'll just use the Tesla app so there's no need for MB executives to have dozens more meetings about it. Just give me a fookin' adapter already.

 

The adapter is not the problem.
Elon has to turn on the switch - that's the whole point of these "deals", getting Elon to allow the car to charge.

 

Correctomundo. Tesla suprchagers are CCS compliant, the only reason you can't use an adapter is because Tesla has software to prevent it. The Tesla adapter to CCS is a simply a cable "rearranger" so their plug fits the CCS plug.

 

I can already charge my Mercedes at a Tesla Supercharger using the Magic Dock. There's nothing specific to my vehicle that needs to be enabled. I just need an adapter that the Tesla app recognizes. They must have their own ID of some sort instead of using the plug-and-charge's ID.

 

The magic dock thing is being slow walked as much as possible. After mths of its reveal its only available in very few Cali and NY chargers. Tesla owners have not been very excited that they are losing what many considered their private perk of Tesla ownership. They forget that their messiah just threw 40 billion down the toilet on a whim and is getting more erratic and crazy every day. Maybe he should cut down on the pot....

 

Problem is not all vehicles support plug-and-charge so the magic in the Magic Dock is it does that negotiation for the vehicle. It's not a simple straight-through connection.

 

That is incorrect. Plug and charge has nothing to do with charging using Teslas Supercharger. Any CCS1 car can charge with the adapter that Tesla is keeping to themselves and calling it a "Magic Dock"
No plug-and-charge, no "negotiation," all is needed is the adapter and the Tesla app on your phone.
It is a Very simple and straight though connection.

 

This is a common misconception. Unlike ICE vehicles, most EVs 'refuel' at home. EVs are a different paradigm. Public charging stations are needed for road trips, and should be more numerous, but they can probably never be as ubiquitous as gas stations (because EVs take longer to 'refuel').

 

"Customers can then seamlessly access the chargers" according to MB. But that is only if the customer happens to come across two adjacent empty Supercharger slots, since from the point of view of current MB EVs, the Tesla charging cable is on a "wrong" side as compared to the MB port, and the cable is not long enough to reach the other side of the MB vehicle..

 

It will be interesting to see if MB relocates the charging port on the driver side in future models.

 

Depends on whether that location would also work for European and Chinese market.
I doubt they would relocate just for North American Market.

 

Maybe the adaptor they are going to "give" us will come with a 6 food cord.

 

Does a CCS to NACS adapter on the end of a CCS cable change the charging speed for a vehicle at all? Will companies such as JuiceBox sell an adapter for their home unit? Or will someone buying a 2025 MB (or any of the other companies that are switching to NACS) have to throw their already-installed charging system away and buy a new home charging unit? (Asking for a friend....)

 

The protocol between CCS and NACS is same, for 400v cars the speed won't change. For home charging units, my guess is they will sell replacement charging cords or you can always get an adapter that stays on the charger. I have the chargepoint home charger and the charging cord is easily changable.