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2023 EQE 500 SUV electric and 2024 Jaguar F-PACE SVR 5.0L
With so many fewer moving parts I'd expect EVs to last longer than an ICE vehicle in general. But when you're not even allowed to open the hood and simply replacing a 12V battery requires a dealer visit.. well, it's really not surprising nobody want to buy a Fisker Ocean right now. People worry about buying the first model year a lot but with EVs buying the last year might be worse because without support it becomes a really expensive brick.
I historically have sold my S-class cars(gas) when they are about 10 years old. Since Mercedes (gas) have a reputation of "running forever" the resale value declines slowly after the first 5-10 years.
I am considering a EQS for my next car. I suspect one of the factors effecting the rapid decline in EQS resale value is the "fear of the unknown" as it relates to the lifetime of the main propulsion battery and the cost to replace. Mercedes warrantees the battery capacity for 8 years(from new) will exceed 80%(I believe) of original specification. Since "Range" is a significant issue in Electric Cars and my guess is battery capacity declines more rapidly after the initial 8 years, a 10 year old EQS will probably need a replacement. It probably too early to have an active marketplace for battery replacement, I assume it will be difficult to know the costs. Does anyone have knowledgeable/educated guess on this cost?
Good luck on that, speaking as a very early EQS owner, who no longer has the car, I believe there will be such huge changes in EV and battery technologiers over the next decade, that no predictions are going to hold up. Addressing range only, I was surprised to learn how much ambient temperatures affected my displayed range,
My EQS had very few added options - the thing I miss most in my DD '18 S60 from the EQS is the 4-wheel steering. I'm not sorry I owned it, but I don't miss it one bit.
I'm too old to even think about buying a new car, but if I was in my 60s or 70s, I would not consider for a single second buying another EV until 2034 or 2035. Not even the makers can predict what changes they will make.
If I was still doing a 30 mile r/t daily commute, and if I felt ecologically compelled to go EV, I'd acquire a Fiat 500e. Priced around $35K (leases for $600/mo.). Basic EV transportation with 150 mile range and 6 hr. level 2 charging. No sub-2-second 0-60mph claims, but an 8 year/100K mile battery warranty. Practicable single/dual rider transportation. I'd keep my ICEs for traveling. https://www.fiatusa.com/500e.html
What does it cost to replace the engine in an S580?
That sort of thing is really, really rare. Its not even worth worrying about IMO. By the time its old enough for you to have to worry about paying to do that yourself there will be used batteries etc.
Good luck on that, speaking as a very early EQS owner, who no longer has the car, I believe there will be such huge changes in EV and battery technologiers over the next decade, that no predictions are going to hold up. Addressing range only, I was surprised to learn how much ambient temperatures affected my displayed range,
My EQS had very few added options - the thing I miss most in my DD '18 S60 from the EQS is the 4-wheel steering. I'm not sorry I owned it, but I don't miss it one bit.
I'm too old to even think about buying a new car, but if I was in my 60s or 70s, I would not consider for a single second buying another EV until 2034 or 2035. Not even the makers can predict what changes they will make.
I moved from an ML 320 to an ML 350 about fifteen years ago. Even within a pure ICE vehicle, there were huge changes in the technology. The information technology revolution really started hitting cars in that time frame, and the amount of electronics in the later car was substantial. Now, we are seeing a whole new level of IT technology entering cars with things like level three driving assist - an amazing technology that really helps on the long drives. I know better than to claim self driving, but these assistive technologies, when used properly as assistive technologies, are amazing. Now that the automotive industry is taking advantage of what the computer industry can do, we can expect cars to change even faster in the future.
With so many fewer moving parts I'd expect EVs to last longer than an ICE vehicle in general. But when you're not even allowed to open the hood and simply replacing a 12V battery requires a dealer visit.. well, it's really not surprising nobody want to buy a Fisker Ocean right now. People worry about buying the first model year a lot but with EVs buying the last year might be worse because without support it becomes a really expensive brick.
400V and 800V systems require careful handling. With ICE engines and 12V batteries there were no lethal voltages anywhere in the car, so you could be pretty casual about work practices - even though shorting the battery could lead to some spectacular sparking and a lot of damage to the car. Now, touch the wrong lead and you could end up dead. There is a reason they do not want backyard mechanics opening those things up. Remember, the battery is always live, it is not like you can turn it off and the potential goes away.
I have no intention of keeping my EQS pass it 4/50k miles warranty. I had my EV for 14 months and 15k miles. If i known what i know now i would have never bought an EV, maybe in few years. I love my EQS580, i enjoy driving it but it such a hassle public charging it especial on a long trip. I haven't public charge it in 6 months so few weeks ago i took it to an EA station 6 miles from my house to make sure it still plugs and play without any issue before taking it out on a long trip only to see 3 out of 4 charger is out of services and there an hour wait to use it. A 6 hours trip to San Jose took over 10 hours. There plenty of EA stations on the way but most of them don't work! and the one that does work there a long waiting time to use them. Public charging is horrible. I should have bought the 23 GLS63.
I have no intention of keeping my EQS pass it 4/50k miles warranty. I had my EV for 14 months and 15k miles. If i known what i know now i would have never bought an EV, maybe in few years. I love my EQS580, i enjoy driving it but it such a hassle public charging it especial on a long trip. I haven't public charge it in 6 months so few weeks ago i took it to an EA station 6 miles from my house to make sure it still plugs and play without any issue before taking it out on a long trip only to see 3 out of 4 charger is out of services and there an hour wait to use it. A 6 hours trip to San Jose took over 10 hours. There plenty of EA stations on the way but most of them don't work! and the one that does work there a long waiting time to use them. Public charging is horrible. I should have bought the 23 GLS63.
I will be the first to agree that the Electrify America experience is terrible. It is not a surprise as Electrify America was set up by Volkswagen as part of the Dieselgate settlement with the EPA and California Air Resources Board. Volkswagen does not want to run it, and it shows. I think Mercedes and BMW were hoodwinked by Volkswagen's management when they set up the free charging deals. Frankly, the EPA and CARB should go back to court to get Volkswagen to properly support EA, they are not meeting the terms of the agreement in my view. The situation is bad enough that Mercedes and BMW, plus four other manufacturers are in the process of setting up their own charging network in the US to match the one they set up in Europe. The switch to NACS and access to the Tesla charging network should more than double the number of chargers available too.
That being said, there are a lot of other charging stations out there that seem to be better maintained; were you only trying to charge at EA stations because of the free charging? Your RFID card should have allowed charging at any Chargepoint network station.
Some EA are good and some are terrible. I always check Plugshare and only go to the good ones.
In my expirience, EA has improved greatly. In my 4000 mile road trip, I have had zero issues with almost all instances being plug and play. Only in a few stations have I had to pay with a card. The only issues were in Seattle where multiple chargers are out of commission due to cable theft (not an EA exclusive problem there). In all instances I haven't had any issues charging at full speed either!
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In my expirience, EA has improved greatly. In my 4000 mile road trip, I have had zero issues with almost all instances being plug and play. Only in a few stations have I had to pay with a card. The only issues were in Seattle where multiple chargers are out of commission due to cable theft (not an EA exclusive problem there). In all instances I haven't had any issues charging at full speed either!
Im on the the last segment of my return from Seattle to WI. Perfect trip the whole way! Rain, snow, hail, sun, gale winds the car has been perfect the entire trip!!
Little Big Horn Battle National Park
Im on the the last segment of my return from Seattle to WI. Perfect trip the whole way! Rain, snow, hail, sun, gale winds the car has been perfect the entire trip!!
Little Big Horn Battle National Park
Beautiful scenery!
So, there are now enough EA chargers in MN, SD, WY, MT and WA that you don’t need to worry whether or not you’ll reach Seattle without any problems? You obviously planned this trip out ahead of time and made decisions where to recharge the battery.
The reason I’m so curious is because my son and his family live in Seattle and my wife and I would love to take this trip. It won’t be this summer because he and his family, my wife and I, and our daughter and her family are all taking a trip to Greece and far southern Albania.
Beautiful scenery!
So, there are now enough EA chargers in MN, SD, WY, MT and WA that you don’t need to worry whether or not you’ll reach Seattle without any problems? You obviously planned this trip out ahead of time and made decisions where to recharge the battery.
The reason I’m so curious is because my son and his family live in Seattle and my wife and I would love to take this trip. It won’t be this summer because he and his family, my wife and I, and our daughter and her family are all taking a trip to Greece and far southern Albania.
I would like to know how you set this up too. Were you charging to 80% or 90% at the stops? How well did the intelligent routing work for you? How did you have the routing set for destination state of charge and intermediate charge level?
I had to use a 50kw Chargepoint in Spencer Wyoming right off I 90. Otherwise, EA's all the way. I charged to 90 every time, a few times arriving with 10%. Mountains, cold, winds up to 65mph, hail, constant 70 to 85 mph cruising (on winter tires no less). The system still cannot plan the entire trip so I did it by segments. It was deadly acurate though despite the horrible weather, nothing is as scary as hearing hail splatter against a glass roof, thankfully the car suffered no damage. Loved every long minute of the trip even when I was racing to find a gas station to shelter from the SD hail and had 10% battery left (I was just a few miles from the charger). Bucket list! The next trip is to Va. Thus I will have crossed coast to coast twice this year. The charging situation going east is a total no brainer, the system can plan it with numerous options the entire way.
I had to use a 50kw Chargepoint in Spencer Wyoming right off I 90. Otherwise, EA's all the way. I charged to 90 every time, a few times arriving with 10%. Mountains, cold, winds up to 65mph, hail, constant 70 to 85 mph cruising (on winter tires no less). The system still cannot plan the entire trip so I did it by segments. It was deadly acurate though despite the horrible weather, nothing is as scary as hearing hail splatter against a glass roof, thankfully the car suffered no damage. Loved every long minute of the trip even when I was racing to find a gas station to shelter from the SD hail and had 10% battery left (I was just a few miles from the charger). Bucket list! The next trip is to Va. Thus I will have crossed coast to coast twice this year. The charging situation going east is a total no brainer, the system can plan it with numerous options the entire way.
04-15-2024, 11:12 PM
