I can't wait to see the faces of the average American Walmart shopper when they find out who actually pays the tariffs and the higher costs of the bill of goods w/o cheap imports. They thought 10% inflation was bad when only making minimum wage. It's gonna be as hilarious to watch as the UK Brexit voters finding out how they shot themselves in the foot. Two of the top 5 most popular Google searches since the election were "are tariffs bad" and "how can I change my vote". Not making this up.

 

The Lucid Gravity is looking good on paper but I don't like to be an early adopter. I think the Lucid Air seems to be at an acceptable quality with 2025. I'm hoping they survive as a company.

 

Is the scheme still in place that companies like Tesla and Rivian sell clean energy credits to legacy car makers not hitting their clean energy production targets? As I recall, this was a very profitable side business to a company like Tesla. What happens to Tesla profits if these clean energy laws disappear? Or will the laws be cherry picked to keep benefiting Tesla?

 

The cleanest energy is nuclear. Natural gas is the next cleanest.

 

Define clean.

 

EV sales may get a short-term boost at year-end, but the tax credit repeal likely won’t be retroactive, so waiting to trade or sell your EQS SUV is a sensible approach.

 

Interesting to read the opinions about EV’s from over a Year ago. Battery driven EV’s will be taking over the roads. Not quickly but steady. Who ever has driven an EV with an open mind will have to realize that this technology is a big improvement to the way of transportation. Imagine a World that had only driven EV’s for a 100 Years and someone would come up with the principle of a combustion engine driven Vehicle, with all the complicated technology that has to be in place to still have a huge loss in efficiency compare to EV's. This would have no chance from the get go.
Now back to today's reality, we try to defend this great gas burning technology that brought us enormous economic wealth but is as an afterthought the most stupid Idea compare to EV’s.
Combustion Engines did have to go through their growing stages too, to be as efficient as they are in our days. Give the EV Industrie some time. Gas stations didn’t show up all over the world within a couple of years then either. It took Time. The developments that are happening for the electric form of transportation are strong and will not be stopped by some late comers.
My opinion.

 

Agreed. Greater efficiency will prevail.

 

Have a look at Norway where 96% of all new cars in 2025 were electric. This is pretty amazing given the cold climate. The infrastructure has kept up and the tax incentives are going away.

 

Maybe it has something to do with the Education of the People of a country. How open minded or bone headed one is. I got to understand that Norway is also considered very rich from Resources. Makes one wonder where the so called richest Country in the world is heading to.

 

it is simple. The Enviro-nuts have no long-term science whatsoever to prove any of their delusional, destructive connotations and theories. They have been proven wrong over and again. In general have been nothing more than a massive burden on the entire tax base of whatever Nation they are pontificating in.

we need to look no further than your leader Greta Thundberg to see just how ignorant delusional divisive and frankly annoying the environuts tend to be. Well of course not discounting Al Gore and Bernie Sanders who are definitely Living Way Off the Grid not consuming any carbon.....

 

I rest my case.

 

Where is your SCIENCE to PROVE "Man Made" global warming to any percentage that is valid and NOT within a level of error, or in line with historic variables in atmospheric temps? Human recoreded tempratures are not even a scratch on the surface of the REAL age of our planet. But, you want to go crazy in a delusional paranoia that we have that much control, have at it. You can be an enviro-nut in a vechile (for me would be COAL powered) and built of massively destructuve materials provided by third world slave labor in the worse conditions imaginable...of course, knowing the materials are NOT recyclable......pesky facts, eh?

 

As far as man made impact on the climate is concern there is ample science to support that but "None so blind as those who will not see".

Regarding concerns about Chinese labor conditions and environmental impact of EV's, there should be regulations imposing healthy labor and environmental standards on domestic and foreign produced products and services.

 

I agree..mostly not China (they assemble the toxic raw materials from other nations...all with no EPA or OSHA). And then a "cheap" EV will cost $1m or more....I mean ever seen a lithium mine in real life? I have.

 

Bring this discussion of environmental harm or disharmony to a different Forum. I respect your point of view or your opinion to this topic.
Both versions of Transportation are in some way not really environmental friendly, but that is not what is this Forum for. I drive my EV because it is to me the more efficient way of Transportation. Cheaper? Not really. Higher up front (not $1M) cost that may or may not even out with lesser Dollars spent charging at home and lesser Service Items. But it is way more efficient with the Energy it uses. Is it all perfect? No, but it will get better. EV’s are still new in the Field and the Gas burning cars and Trucks are out there for over 100 Years. They are also getting better and better. If it is not for the Global Environment the issue, it is for your cities. Lesser Smog and better Air Quality right in front of your nose.
I have nothing against the Ice Cars, still driving one. But Love the new Technology in the EV’s. And all that is still questionable in the production of these, it will get better. Recycling of Lithium Batteries is already available and working. It is also not big yet, as the small Batteries from Phones and Computers are not bringing in the profitable amount of Elements to harvest. The Car Batteries will change that, but they are now still in the Cars for a good while before they enter the recycling process. We will see then a big grow in this Recycling, if we haven't found by then even better kind of battery chemistry. The Race is on for EV’s now too, as it was for Ice cars for so long and might still go on.
To get back to the starter Topic. I saw a news real about shrinking EV sales in ’25. The article made it look like EV’S ARE DEAD! On a bit of research * one can see that the overall new Vehicle registration has come down. Not only EV’s. Compared to the lower sales numbers of both, EV sales have gone up. So the transition to electric is still growing.
*Source- Chat GPT 5.2.
And extremists always hurt a good cause.

 

@Typical Guest Assuming someone really gave a rats rear about REALLY "Saving the earth" - they would not be in the market for a new car. But, if they had to they would be looking at something like a Mitsubishi Mirage. Mitsubishi more than many other brands make real efforts to use RECYCLED materials as opposed to a majority raw materials (like every EV out there). The engine is almost 100% recycled materials. The body has a majority recycled, the plastics are recycled...AND it gets 37mpg from its 1.2ltr three banger. There is NOTHING at all about a $100k EV with every creature comfort bell and whistle that says "I want to actually make a diffrenence". Heck, if they did they would ride a bicycle.....

https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en...rce/index.html


Now, as for comparing other (smaller) nations ability to function in an EV over a gasoline car? Well, they are smaller. I would never, not ever take a road trip in an EV over our GLS or the AMG. Price of fuel be damned, I have time frames.

 

Not dismissing point that that luxury EV's are not the most effective way to reduce emissions but they are notably better than their ICE equivalents. It really comes down to a rate of harm.

It takes about 5 more metric tons of CO2 to produce an EV with 100 kWh battery than a comparible ICE. If both an EQS580 and GLS580 were driven 12000 miles a year, the difference in the manufacturing CO2 cost would be recovered in 1.25 to 2 years (solar vs local electricity)

 

@MBNUT1 Wild card....what one has a longer lifespan? That of course is part of the equation

 

It's a good question. I think the jury is out on that. I tend to keep my cars forever. 20 yo Mazda 3 with 218K and 16 yo E class with 159K miles. Had a 20 yo Audi with 220K miles. The wifes' 5 yo KIA EV has 55K. Very little battery degredation so far but it has seen it's far share of shop time but my son says that is because I didn't heed his warning and not buy a Kia.

 

I was in northern Norway last month, on the north cape in the most extreme temperatures. The game for ICE is over in Norway. Everything is ev. And even in the extreme cold (the low was about -15 each day I was there) people still go for ev's. BTW, anyone worried about the US becoming like those crazy socialists in Nordic countries--lol, go spend a little time there. We all have choice about what to drive, and will for the foreseeable future. Others have made good points about the environmental benefits of the ev supply chain are just beginning to spin up, whereas we already know the ceiling on ice vehicles. Marquez Brown's latest video is about the choice of owning an ev vs. an ice car. He made some good points I hadn't thought about about living with an ev in the winter and its hidden benefits. Imho, he is one of the more thoughtful and evenhanded YouTubers.

 

@nath_h They are FOOLS. More so based on their geography. Now, for example - say Ukraine. Would you want to depend on a EV in Ukraine or Russia for that matter? This all seems great, till the day it is not great. I have seen it first hand after storms here in FL. People have waited WEEKS to charge their EV's after storms.

 

Maybe that says more about Florida and it's infratstructures inability to deal with storms of increasing intensity than it does about Norwejians

"The electricity supply in Norway has an availability (reliability of supply) of 99.98%. This means that, on average, we experience power outages of 2–3 hours per year. The basis for this figure comes from FASIT."

 

You hit the nail. Not just Florida, but the entire nation. Biggest culprit is the the grid is past the age it was originally designed for and the majority of the powerlines are above ground, where they are taken down by storms. The majority of the powerlines in Europe are below ground, protected from weather impacts. Only the high voltage transmission lines are above ground and those are much sturdier. They are above the trees for example, so falling trees don't take them down. I've never experienced as many power outages in my life as in the US. I grew up in Europe. The power never really goes out and if it goes out, it's minutes and not hours/days/weeks.

 

In teh US - try to update something the Envio-Nuts will stop it. Heck, we had to close a MTN bike trail (small trail) because some wren may or may not use some bushes on it for mating....cant run a new water main because there may or may not be a Gopher Tortoise.

If you stop your car - pick one up and move it out of the road...you can be arrested. If a manatee comes up to me I can touch it with ONE hand...two hands is a felony....

https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/w...pher-tortoise/

Yes, it is generally illegal to touch a manatee, and using two hands is strictly prohibited as it constitutes harassment under federal and Florida state law. Manatees are protected by the Endangered Species Act and Marine Mammal Protection Act, meaning any intentional, harmful, or disruptive contact—including hugging or grabbing—can result in up to $100,000 in fines and one year in federal prison


This is part of why we can not have nice things......