2027 Order Guide
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I realize this is for EQS Sedan, but any idea when 2027 EQS SUV order guide would be available? My lease expires in November and I can extend it for few months but wouldn't want to get too much in to 2027. However that assumes same changes here are also done in the SUV.
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It was a bummer for me to know that after all of this hype by Mbenz regarding the point to point whatever, the EQS does NOT offer full hands-free on highways. And it is also a subscription base? wow… I really don’t care about the assigned level or full autonomous driving, but I just want hands-free highway with sharp lane centering just like my current 7-series. If the future Mbenz sedans do not offer that, they will continue to be out of my potential list even for a test-drive.
No hands-free highway capability in the EQS is a true surprise and honestly stupid regardless of how good the system is. I do not want a car to drive me. I want a car that I drive with minimal muscle strain, while relaxed however I want in my seat. That’s called optional hands-free and perfect lane centering and ability to take curves really well as well as auto adjustment to speed signs. That’s exactly what the current (not newest) BMW system offers in my 7 series. Am hearing that the ix3 and the new 7 will have even better systems but the current G70 has all I need.
No hands-free highway capability in the EQS is a true surprise and honestly stupid regardless of how good the system is. I do not want a car to drive me. I want a car that I drive with minimal muscle strain, while relaxed however I want in my seat. That’s called optional hands-free and perfect lane centering and ability to take curves really well as well as auto adjustment to speed signs. That’s exactly what the current (not newest) BMW system offers in my 7 series. Am hearing that the ix3 and the new 7 will have even better systems but the current G70 has all I need.
AFAIK only California and Nevada have any. Mercedes-Benz world’s first automotive company to certify SAE Level 3 system for U.S. market
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It was a bummer for me to know that after all of this hype by Mbenz regarding the point to point whatever, the EQS does NOT offer full hands-free on highways. And it is also a subscription base? wow… I really don’t care about the assigned level or full autonomous driving, but I just want hands-free highway with sharp lane centering just like my current 7-series. If the future Mbenz sedans do not offer that, they will continue to be out of my potential list even for a test-drive.
No hands-free highway capability in the EQS is a true surprise and honestly stupid regardless of how good the system is. I do not want a car to drive me. I want a car that I drive with minimal muscle strain, while relaxed however I want in my seat. That’s called optional hands-free and perfect lane centering and ability to take curves really well as well as auto adjustment to speed signs. That’s exactly what the current (not newest) BMW system offers in my 7 series. Am hearing that the ix3 and the new 7 will have even better systems but the current G70 has all I need.
No hands-free highway capability in the EQS is a true surprise and honestly stupid regardless of how good the system is. I do not want a car to drive me. I want a car that I drive with minimal muscle strain, while relaxed however I want in my seat. That’s called optional hands-free and perfect lane centering and ability to take curves really well as well as auto adjustment to speed signs. That’s exactly what the current (not newest) BMW system offers in my 7 series. Am hearing that the ix3 and the new 7 will have even better systems but the current G70 has all I need.
Also the subscription complaint feels one-sided. For the i7 (and other models) BMW requires the $1750 Premium package for the Drive Assist Plus and then another $2000 payment for the highway assistant to get the features. So $3750 out the door.
On the EQS you already receive the sensor suite, MB Drive (ACC) & MB Drive Assist (auto steer, lane change) as standard equipment which includes everything BMW offers without the hands-free highway assist. Then you get the MB Drive Assist Pro as a subscription (including monthly). We don't know the price for the option on the EQS at this point as the lower-end CLA may have different pricing. But monthly gives you more choices than upfront especially if hardware is missing.
That said, I do agree that in the US the hands-free is a nice feature. In Germany less so...
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I don't mind subscription services so much if they are really paying for an ongoing 'service', that continues over time. For example, Sirius XM, or map updates. I am much less happy paying a subscription for a feature that's 'one and done', especially if it's just unlocking a capability of the vehicle that was already present when I bought it - e.g. getting the full range of motion on rear-wheel steering.
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Let's wait to argue the pros/cons until the system is actually out and we know the exact functionality.
Also the subscription complaint feels one-sided. For the i7 (and other models) BMW requires the $1750 Premium package for the Drive Assist Plus and then another $2000 payment for the highway assistant to get the features. So $3750 out the door.
On the EQS you already receive the sensor suite, MB Drive (ACC) & MB Drive Assist (auto steer, lane change) as standard equipment which includes everything BMW offers without the hands-free highway assist. Then you get the MB Drive Assist Pro as a subscription (including monthly). We don't know the price for the option on the EQS at this point as the lower-end CLA may have different pricing. But monthly gives you more choices than upfront especially if hardware is missing.
That said, I do agree that in the US the hands-free is a nice feature. In Germany less so...
Also the subscription complaint feels one-sided. For the i7 (and other models) BMW requires the $1750 Premium package for the Drive Assist Plus and then another $2000 payment for the highway assistant to get the features. So $3750 out the door.
On the EQS you already receive the sensor suite, MB Drive (ACC) & MB Drive Assist (auto steer, lane change) as standard equipment which includes everything BMW offers without the hands-free highway assist. Then you get the MB Drive Assist Pro as a subscription (including monthly). We don't know the price for the option on the EQS at this point as the lower-end CLA may have different pricing. But monthly gives you more choices than upfront especially if hardware is missing.
That said, I do agree that in the US the hands-free is a nice feature. In Germany less so...
For the Mbenz hands-free on highway, it's just something that I know people will want it going forward regardless of the other "pros/cons". With point to point claims, it makes no sense that hands-free on highways isn't available. I feel that in the end the hands-free will be part of the package; I just find it hard to believe that Mbenz won't offer it despite all the other advancement they said that the new system can do.
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Never paid attention to how premium vs Pro package are layered. It's actually too sneaky that I didn't believe it until I just checked and you are right. System cost is actually more than the 2500 USD in this paper cause premium offers nothing for that baseline other than 3D camera view. Good catch.
For the Mbenz hands-free on highway, it's just something that I know people will want it going forward regardless of the other "pros/cons". With point to point claims, it makes no sense that hands-free on highways isn't available. I feel that in the end the hands-free will be part of the package; I just find it hard to believe that Mbenz won't offer it despite all the other advancement they said that the new system can do.
For the Mbenz hands-free on highway, it's just something that I know people will want it going forward regardless of the other "pros/cons". With point to point claims, it makes no sense that hands-free on highways isn't available. I feel that in the end the hands-free will be part of the package; I just find it hard to believe that Mbenz won't offer it despite all the other advancement they said that the new system can do.
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Totally agree on the hands-free and hope for the same. This system is fully AI for situational awareness and doesn't rely on any high def mapping for navigation; it only uses Google maps for that. My only concern is that they are overly cautious, especially in urban traffic where they view Tesla as irresponsible to use customers for beta testing.
I fully agree that using owners to improve their beta software was too risky. As one of those beta users, I know how bad the system was when it was first released, but it helped them shave at least 2-4 years of development. It was optional to be fair at that time, and system would put you in ("FSD jaik"), aka temporary suspension, if you abuse the system more than 5 times in a given week or so. I was put in the FSD jail at least twice which is funny given that I had paid for the service subscription but was prevented from using it. I'd give them credit for that part. Mbenz being "overly cautious" is the right thing to do generally speaking, though can be boring to wait for too long sometimes.
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My Model S in FSD beta almost curbed the wheels a few times on roundabouts. However, once the beta phase transitioned to highway hands-free and supervised FSD v12, I was truly impressed. You don't seem to be a fan of Tesla FSD, I know, but I encourage you to test drive the new system. It's been 2 years since I sold mine, but even then it was great. I'm sure it's even better today. I know that Tesla users on forums are so dramatic, claiming it's even better than human driving and more relaxing. Although I disagree, I still think they offer the best system now, regardless of the regulatory labels.
I fully agree that using owners to improve their beta software was too risky. As one of those beta users, I know how bad the system was when it was first released, but it helped them shave at least 2-4 years of development. It was optional to be fair at that time, and system would put you in ("FSD jaik"), aka temporary suspension, if you abuse the system more than 5 times in a given week or so. I was put in the FSD jail at least twice which is funny given that I had paid for the service subscription but was prevented from using it. I'd give them credit for that part. Mbenz being "overly cautious" is the right thing to do generally speaking, though can be boring to wait for too long sometimes.
I fully agree that using owners to improve their beta software was too risky. As one of those beta users, I know how bad the system was when it was first released, but it helped them shave at least 2-4 years of development. It was optional to be fair at that time, and system would put you in ("FSD jaik"), aka temporary suspension, if you abuse the system more than 5 times in a given week or so. I was put in the FSD jail at least twice which is funny given that I had paid for the service subscription but was prevented from using it. I'd give them credit for that part. Mbenz being "overly cautious" is the right thing to do generally speaking, though can be boring to wait for too long sometimes.
A friend of ours had a Model Y Performance and he loved FSD until the car decided to take the highway exit 300 ft too early. He caught it in time but that incident showed that it only takes one hiccup.
That said, MB's level 3 was too slow to be useful and even though it is coming back although in a different guise with full AI underpinnings. That will be hands-off and eyes-off which is what you really want anyways. From what I understand, the level 4 trial results had also been positive; not sure if they are paused due to the war as the testing is done in Saudi Arabia...
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The problem isn't that Tesla drivers trust their lives to FSD, it is that everyone else on the road is also trusting their lives to it, making us all beta testers. Telsa's trick of disengaging FSD just before accidents, making any collision the driver's responsibility is also unethical. If it is as good as Tesla claims, then the system should not be programmed to do this. As far as I know, only Mercedes is covering liability for accidents while level 3 driving. Tesla is dodging liability with last minute FSD disengagement.
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The problem isn't that Tesla drivers trust their lives to FSD, it is that everyone else on the road is also trusting their lives to it, making us all beta testers. Telsa's trick of disengaging FSD just before accidents, making any collision the driver's responsibility is also unethical. If it is as good as Tesla claims, then the system should not be programmed to do this. As far as I know, only Mercedes is covering liability for accidents while level 3 driving. Tesla is dodging liability with last minute FSD disengagement.
For the record, I do NOT own a Tesla now, and I do not have any stocks in Tesla, lol. I also do NOT like Elon. However, I read a lot of criticism about FSD, but mostly written by folks who never driven a Tesla with the new FSD. I highly recommend that you at least give it a try. Tesla stores offer free 30-min rides all day long. Just give it a try (not to buy a Tesla car, but just for the fun of experiencing how far FSD has advanced nowadays).
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Hi,
Thanks for posting this. I owned a 2022 EQS for a year and despite all the haters I loved this car. Unfortunately, it had a hardware fault that continued to cause software crashes and couldn't be fixed after three months of trying. Mercedes stepped up and bought the care back from me at a fair price. Although I was not happy with the issues, the service was very competent and kept me informed. I told myself then, I would own another EQS. Now is that time. Do you know exactly when the order book will open? I want to place an order for a EQS 580 ASAP.
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Thanks for posting this. I owned a 2022 EQS for a year and despite all the haters I loved this car. Unfortunately, it had a hardware fault that continued to cause software crashes and couldn't be fixed after three months of trying. Mercedes stepped up and bought the care back from me at a fair price. Although I was not happy with the issues, the service was very competent and kept me informed. I told myself then, I would own another EQS. Now is that time. Do you know exactly when the order book will open? I want to place an order for a EQS 580 ASAP.
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Hi,
Thanks for posting this. I owned a 2022 EQS for a year and despite all the haters I loved this car. Unfortunately, it had a hardware fault that continued to cause software crashes and couldn't be fixed after three months of trying. Mercedes stepped up and bought the care back from me at a fair price. Although I was not happy with the issues, the service was very competent and kept me informed. I told myself then, I would own another EQS. Now is that time. Do you know exactly when the order book will open? I want to place an order for a EQS 580 ASAP.
Cincy
Thanks for posting this. I owned a 2022 EQS for a year and despite all the haters I loved this car. Unfortunately, it had a hardware fault that continued to cause software crashes and couldn't be fixed after three months of trying. Mercedes stepped up and bought the care back from me at a fair price. Although I was not happy with the issues, the service was very competent and kept me informed. I told myself then, I would own another EQS. Now is that time. Do you know exactly when the order book will open? I want to place an order for a EQS 580 ASAP.
Cincy
